Maybe the brain drain was real? we'll find out from gemini 3 I guess
The GPT-5 Launch Was Concerning
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#12The messaging is all over the place anyway. Not so long ago OAI was talking about faster iterations and warning people to not expect huge leaps. (A position that makes sense imo). Yet people talk about AGI in a serious manner?
I don't think anyone serious is talking about AGI from LLMs, no.
And yet altman talks about AGI being imminent, but his company has only ever produced LLMs.
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#14The messaging is all over the place anyway. Not so long ago OAI was talking about faster iterations and warning people to not expect huge leaps. (A position that makes sense imo). Yet people talk about AGI in a serious manner?
"AGI achieved internally" -- Sam Altman
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#15> ...when they need to find any way possible to squeeze paid subscribers out of their (money losing) free user base.
Also note that they're losing money on their paid subscribers.
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#16I asked it to make a drawing of the US with every state numbered from biggest to smallest with 1 being the largest.
Maine was #89 (That is not a typo.) and Oregon was #1.
OpenAI as a company simply cannot exist without a constant influx of investor money. Burning money on every request is not a viable business model. Companies built on OpenAI/Anthropic are similarly deeply unprofitable businesses.
OpenAI needs to convert to a for-profit to get any more of the funding that Softbank promised (that its also unclear how Softbank itself would raise) or to get significant cash from anyone else. Microsoft can block this and probably will.
It all reminds me of that Paddy's Dollars bit from it's always sunny.
"We have no money and no inventory... there's still something we can do... that's still a business somehow..."
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#17Maybe the brain drain was real? we'll find out from gemini 3 I guess
For sure, but not for that reason; there is currently no one with a plan how to go from current (LLMs) to a better model. It's some 'more focused training' 'better prompting' 'agentic' 'smarter lookups' 'better tooling'. But fundamentally, this model is simply shagged out and it'll get a little better with the above, but the jump everyone is waiting for cannot happen without a new model invention.
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#18I asked it to make a drawing of the US with every state numbered from biggest to smallest with 1 being the largest. Maine was #89 (That is not a typo.) and Oregon was #1. OpenAI as a company simply cannot exist without a constant influx of investor money. Burning money on every request is not a viable business model. Companies built on OpenAI/Anthropic are similarly deeply unprofitable businesses. OpenAI needs to con…
burning money worked for Uber. As long as they can IPO or get cheap debt from governm friends any valuation can work. Uber lost double digit billions as an app with no edge or anythin. It always made no sense beyond 1 billion
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#19The messaging is all over the place anyway. Not so long ago OAI was talking about faster iterations and warning people to not expect huge leaps. (A position that makes sense imo). Yet people talk about AGI in a serious manner?
I don't think anyone serious is talking about AGI from LLMs, no.
Only if you consider Sam Altman not serious: https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/chatgpt/sam-altman-claims-agi-i...
I find this pattern in tech hype really frustrating. Someone in a leadership role in a major tech company/VC promises something outrageous. Time passes and the promise never materializes. People then retcon the idea that "everybody knew that wasn't going to happen". Well either "everybody" doesn't include Elon Musk[1], Sam Altman, or Marc Andreessen[2] or these people are liars. No one seems to be held to their track record of being right or wrong, instead people just latch on to the next outrageous promise as if the previous one was fulfilled.
[1] https://electrek.co/2025/03/18/elon-musk-biggest-lie-tesla-v...
[2] https://dailyhodl.com/2022/06/01/billionaire-and-tech-pionee...
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#20Maybe the brain drain was real? we'll find out from gemini 3 I guess
For sure, but not for that reason; there is currently no one with a plan how to go from current (LLMs) to a better model. It's some 'more focused training' 'better prompting' 'agentic' 'smarter lookups' 'better tooling'. But fundamentally, this model is simply shagged out and it'll get a little better with the above, but the jump everyone is waiting for cannot happen without a new model invention.
My point is; maybe we can't prove that until deepmind gives us their best shot