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New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Related paulg tweet: https://x.com/paulg/status/1951996478555357530 "The Trump administration has suspended the funding of Terence Tao and the Institute for Pure and Applied Mathematics at UCLA."

Terence Tao's toot on mathstodon.xyz: https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/114956840959338146

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything stopping private philanthropy from funding science today? Generally speaking it is in the government’s interest to support fundamental scientific research.

I’m not aware of anything stopping it except for perhaps how the system is set up. Like if I want to fund a pet study that I’m interested in, can I just call up Harvard and offer the lab $1M to work on it? I’ve never heard of anyone doing that, but I’m not really sure why it doesn’t exist (which is why I’m asking if anyone else knows).

Give Harvard's Office for Sponsored Programs a call and tell them you are ready to award $1M. It really helps if you already have a lab or PI in mind.

   Office for Sponsored Programs
   1033 Massachusetts Avenue
   5th Floor
   Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
   617-495-5501
   osp@harvard.edu

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything stopping private philanthropy from funding science today? Generally speaking it is in the government’s interest to support fundamental scientific research.

I’m not aware of anything stopping it except for perhaps how the system is set up. Like if I want to fund a pet study that I’m interested in, can I just call up Harvard and offer the lab $1M to work on it? I’ve never heard of anyone doing that, but I’m not really sure why it doesn’t exist (which is why I’m asking if anyone else knows).

More or less. Corporations fund research all the time. Just to pick a random example, check out the acknowledgements on this paper: https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/132

"This work was funded in part by NSF Award CNS-2054869 and gifts from Apple, Capital One, Facebook, Google, and Mozilla."

That said, private grant funding is just of a completely different scale than government grant funding. For example, NIH's annual budget is 48 billion and most of that goes to research (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/organization/budget).

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything stopping private philanthropy from funding science today? Generally speaking it is in the government’s interest to support fundamental scientific research.

I’m not aware of anything stopping it except for perhaps how the system is set up. Like if I want to fund a pet study that I’m interested in, can I just call up Harvard and offer the lab $1M to work on it? I’ve never heard of anyone doing that, but I’m not really sure why it doesn’t exist (which is why I’m asking if anyone else knows).

That does happen: foundations will fund specific research and universities apply and get it. What is often different is that foundations rarely put out open calls outside the areas the foundation is specifically interested in. That is where government funding tends to be better: covers many more areas than foundations tend to be interested in. There’s nothing stopping foundations from doing that, but I haven’t seen it very often other than a couple calls here and there. I’ve been a researcher chasing money for decades: I’d love it if foundations would fill this role, but alas, they don’t so far. Plus, the scale doesn’t match: if you added up all the private funding that is available, it’s tiny compared to the federal science budgets.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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There's a reason the Americans discovered how to make atomic weapons first and it's because their researchers were living under a less oppressive state that wasn't motivated by anti-intellectualism and dumb ideology.

But the Soviets made them second…

Not because they trusted their scientists to be able to do it though. They used the plans stolen form the US instead.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything stopping private philanthropy from funding science today? Generally speaking it is in the government’s interest to support fundamental scientific research.

I’m not aware of anything stopping it except for perhaps how the system is set up. Like if I want to fund a pet study that I’m interested in, can I just call up Harvard and offer the lab $1M to work on it? I’ve never heard of anyone doing that, but I’m not really sure why it doesn’t exist (which is why I’m asking if anyone else knows).

If there’s a specific researcher you want to fund, you can absolutely call them up. There will be paperwork around IP, independence, etc.

If you want them to do a specific experiment you’ll likely first need to convince them that it’s a good use of their time.

Harvard itself plays approximately zero role in the decision to do a study or not. (There are ethical oversight committees, etc.)

$1M total cost ($600-800k direct cost depending on terms) will buy you a postdoc’s time and effort for 5 years. Unfortunately most labs aren’t set up for a time/money tradeoff, so 5 postdocs for 1 year would be unlikely absent a really exciting project.

It definitely happens quite a bit!

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. It seems like an obvious channel for corruption of science. Sure private donors have interest driven motives too but it would be diffuse across many areas not concentrated like a political party’s interests.

"why would the government pay for things that benefit the people that they govern and which those people elected them do?" what do you want a government to do?

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy. It seems like an obvious channel for corruption of science. Sure private donors have interest driven motives too but it would be diffuse across many areas not concentrated like a political party’s interests.

> I don’t really understand why so much of science is funded by the government instead of by private philanthropy.

Two reasons.

First, private philanthropy is neither sustainable nor sufficient in scope.

Second, because government funded science is free from having to produce immediate results in order to satisfy the whims of a specific patron such that funding is continued.

> It seems like an obvious channel for corruption of science.

Yes, relying on private entities to fund scientific research does seem like an obvious channel for corruption.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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There's a reason the Americans discovered how to make atomic weapons first and it's because their researchers were living under a less oppressive state that wasn't motivated by anti-intellectualism and dumb ideology.

Go deeper - why does anti-intellectualism emerge?
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