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Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by gosub100 »

graemep wrote: post #7
the_third_wave wrote: post #6

...and as if on queue the narrative around climate "crisis" is woven into an article about a plane experiencing turbulence: experts say the issue is getting worse in an era of climate crisis . Do publications like the Guardian have narrative quotas they need to achieve?

The Guardian is highly6 ideological. I would have thought the main reason the issue is more common is simply there are far more flights.

Further, if you say the same thing every time, it's not "news". "$semi-intersting-story...and oh, the climates changing". It's a non-sequitur

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by macintux »

plucas wrote: post #9
graemep wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardian is highly6 ideological. I would have thought the main reason the issue is more common is simply there are far more flights.

This study from the University of Reading found that severe turbulence has indeed increased significantly and measurably over the last 40 years: https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2023/06/28/avia...

More energy = more turbulence? Amazing that it's a point of contention.

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by gosub100 »

plucas wrote: post #9
graemep wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardian is highly6 ideological. I would have thought the main reason the issue is more common is simply there are far more flights.

This study from the University of Reading found that severe turbulence has indeed increased significantly and measurably over the last 40 years: https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2023/06/28/avia...

And if you found research contradicting that narrative, it would risk your career and/or would not be published. There is only one way to think, not open discourse.

For instance, wildfires. It's definitely climate change because something bad happened. Not classical phenomena about wind currents drying out vegetation. Or increased human development into wild areas, or a century of PUTTING OUT smaller fires, or environmental regulations against harvesting lumber. No, the only way to think is the way that leads to more regulations, taxes and grants and government waste, criminal charges for the unlucky SOB who starts the fire, higher prices (in energy, cars, buildings, and insurance), and more human suffering that they can sell you their next solution for. For this reason, I don't believe a single thing they say anymore.

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by mhb »

graemep wrote: post #7
the_third_wave wrote: post #6

...and as if on queue the narrative around climate "crisis" is woven into an article about a plane experiencing turbulence: experts say the issue is getting worse in an era of climate crisis . Do publications like the Guardian have narrative quotas they need to achieve?

The Guardian is highly6 ideological. I would have thought the main reason the issue is more common is simply there are far more flights.

Could be many things. Did they consider whether the incidence of seat belt wearing has decreased? It doesn't seem that far-fetched that compliance with the directive to fasten seat belts has decreased along with respect for authority.

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by dagmx »

gosub100 wrote: post #13
plucas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study from the University of Reading found that severe turbulence has indeed increased significantly and measurably over the last 40 years: https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2023/06/28/avia...

And if you found research contradicting that narrative, it would risk your career and/or would not be published. There is only one way to think, not open discourse. For instance, wildfires. It's definitely climate change because something bad happened. Not classical phenomena about wind currents drying out vegetation. Or increased human development into wild areas, or a century of PUTTING OUT smaller fires, or enviro…

The irony that you are claiming everybody else will not listen to conflicting evidence while not providing any of your own and saying that you won’t believe anything unless it passes your own world view.

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

gosub100 wrote: post #13
plucas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study from the University of Reading found that severe turbulence has indeed increased significantly and measurably over the last 40 years: https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2023/06/28/avia...

And if you found research contradicting that narrative, it would risk your career and/or would not be published. There is only one way to think, not open discourse. For instance, wildfires. It's definitely climate change because something bad happened. Not classical phenomena about wind currents drying out vegetation. Or increased human development into wild areas, or a century of PUTTING OUT smaller fires, or enviro…

>It's definitely climate change because something bad happened. Not classical phenomena about wind currents drying out vegetation.

>[T]he extent to which this trend is due to weather pattern changes dominated by natural variability versus anthropogenic warming has been unclear... Our results show that for the period 1979 to 2020, variation in the atmospheric circulation explains, on average, only 32% of the observed VPD [vapor pressure deficit] trend of 0.48 ± 0.25 hPa/decade (95% CI) over the WUS during the warm season (May to September). The remaining 68% of the upward VPD trend is likely due to anthropogenic warming.[0]

[0]https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2111875118#executive-s...

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by interestica »

mhb wrote: post #14
graemep wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guardian is highly6 ideological. I would have thought the main reason the issue is more common is simply there are far more flights.

Could be many things. Did they consider whether the incidence of seat belt wearing has decreased? It doesn't seem that far-fetched that compliance with the directive to fasten seat belts has decreased along with respect for authority.

Interesting! As a continued hypothetical, it's interesting that the "No Smoking" permanently-lit sign is next to the seatbelt one. It's a weird contradiction: by being an electronic illuminated sign in the most prominent area (like a passenger HUD - reserved for critical info) it is given an elevated importance that doesn't really align with user expectation (is it really on the same level as the 'alert' implementation of the seatbelt sign?). So, there may be some kind of "cries wolf" subtle psychological effect in play: the cigarette signage is so obviously unnecessary in place and prominence that maybe the seatbelt signage takes on some of that cognitive placement (and implied importance) in mind. I think it kind of plays into that "respect for authority" you noted -- not unlike the possibility that programs like DARE that tried to group drugs like marijuana with heroin may have caused an increase in harder drug use when people realized that they were misled by that initial 'noble lie'. (See also mask use during the pandemic)

Re: Severe turbulence forces Delta A330 to make emergency landing, 25 injured

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Post by thomascountz »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #5

Flightpath https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL56/history/202507... Track log https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL56/history/202507... Looks like something happened around 19:20

Lowered and raised 1000+ ft in about 1-2 minutes!
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