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Re: I tried Servo

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Post by nextaccountic »

olalonde wrote: post #6
jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to me that Mozilla threw out Firefox's technical future Very little about Mozilla makes sense --- until you follow the money.

What do you mean? Doesn't most of Mozilla's revenue come from Firefox?

I think people are implying that Google told Mozilla to drop Servo, to make sure Firefox wouldn't leapfrog Chrome. And since Google funds Mozilla almost entirely, Mozilla had to comply.

Almost no technical aspect of Firefox have anything to do with how much money Google pays them.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by jqpabc123 »

olalonde wrote: post #8
ObscureScience wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you think Firefox is making money, since it has no payed features? Hint: it has Google search as the default search engine.

That's my point... The fewer people use Firefox, the less money they get from Google. If you follow the money, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect Firefox.

The fewer people use Firefox, the less money they get from Google.

You obviously haven't been following the money.

The statistical global marketshare of Firefox is very close to that of Internet Explorer --- within a single rounding digit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-05/why-go...

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by willi59549879 »

ObscureScience wrote: post #3

While it's hard to know what comes of it, there is also https://ladybird.org/ to challenge to monopoly of Blink.

I hope it succeeds. Now they allow direct donations, so people who want it to succeed can help. I am sure these donations go directly into the development of the browser unlike with mozilla.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by konart »

olalonde wrote: post #8
ObscureScience wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you think Firefox is making money, since it has no payed features? Hint: it has Google search as the default search engine.

That's my point... The fewer people use Firefox, the less money they get from Google. If you follow the money, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect Firefox.

Tops make goods money as is. All they need to do is to keep Fx the way it is.

And Google won't be paying more if Firefox becomes something bigger than Chrome. Google has no interest in it. All they need is a spoiler effect.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by nicoburns »

> The current roadmap lists Shadow DOM and CSS Grid as priorities

I've been working on the CSS Grid support. About to land "named grid lines and areas" support which should make a bunch more websites layout correctly.

I'm biased because it's my project, but IMO the approach Servo is using for CSS Grid is pretty cool in that the actual implementation is in an external library (Taffy [0]) that can be used standalone and is widely used accross the Rust UI ecosystem, including in the Blitz [1] web engine (which also uses Taffy for Flexbox and Block layout), the Zed [2] text editor, and the Bevy [3] game engine.

I'm hopeful that this approach of breaking down a web engine into independently usable modules with public APIs (which builds upon Servo's earlier work on modular libraries such as Stylo and html5ever) will make it easier for people to get involved in web engine development (as they can understand each piece in isolation), and make it easier for people to create new web engines in future (as they won't have to start completely from scratch).

[0]: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/taffy [1]: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz [2]: https://zed.dev [3]: https://bevy.org/

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by camdroidw »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to me that Mozilla threw out Firefox's technical future Very little about Mozilla makes sense --- until you follow the money.

It's wrong to name names without prood but after a point you start doubting your understanding of the world and at this point I'm beginning to suspect Mitchell Baker is a plant

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by fouronnes3 »

nicoburns wrote: post #15

> The current roadmap lists Shadow DOM and CSS Grid as priorities I've been working on the CSS Grid support. About to land "named grid lines and areas" support which should make a bunch more websites layout correctly. I'm biased because it's my project, but IMO the approach Servo is using for CSS Grid is pretty cool in that the actual implementation is in an external library (Taffy [0]) that can be used standalone an…

Does having experience implementing a web browser engine feature change the way you write HTML or CSS in any way? Do you still google "css grid cheatsheet" three times a week like the rest of us?

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by Gualdrapo »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to me that Mozilla threw out Firefox's technical future Very little about Mozilla makes sense --- until you follow the money.

I still strongly believe Servo can be a real counterpoint to Chrome/Chromium's hegemony in the long haul. Not sure why Mozilla ditched it nor why The Linux Foundation gives little to no support at all to it.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by olalonde »

konart wrote: post #14
olalonde wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my point... The fewer people use Firefox, the less money they get from Google. If you follow the money, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect Firefox.

Tops make goods money as is. All they need to do is to keep Fx the way it is. And Google won't be paying more if Firefox becomes something bigger than Chrome. Google has no interest in it. All they need is a spoiler effect.

But Google did pay Mozilla even when Firefox was bigger than Chrome.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by robin_reala »

willi59549879 wrote: post #13
ObscureScience wrote: post #3

While it's hard to know what comes of it, there is also https://ladybird.org/ to challenge to monopoly of Blink.

I hope it succeeds. Now they allow direct donations, so people who want it to succeed can help. I am sure these donations go directly into the development of the browser unlike with mozilla.

Worth pointing out that you can also sponsor Servo development: https://github.com/sponsors/servo
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