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Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

#11

Don't we already have Emacs :p All in all, cool!

We have Lem I am creating https://prizeforge.com so that I can escape from Emacs to Lem (among billions of other reasons)

I read the page three times, I have no ideas what it's about :(. Something about funding and opensource, but no clue how or why

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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We have Lem I am creating https://prizeforge.com so that I can escape from Emacs to Lem (among billions of other reasons)

I read the page three times, I have no ideas what it's about :(. Something about funding and opensource, but no clue how or why

I want to have some kind of takeaway, but sometimes you have to just point at the brightest light in the room or at least move at all in order to move the ball forward.

There's $100 right now sitting in an account that someone pre-paid. I have seen their email and know it's nobody I've known. The purpose of those funds is to develop the rest of our features. This person wants our platform to exist in its fully intended glory. That is what we are selling.

$25 per week are enrolled, but without matching funds of the correct shapes, I am only guaranteed $1 per week. The other $24 are sitting there waiting for others.

The matching is two-dimensional. Watch the animation. Study it. It tells you everything. You never see the levels of large donors exceeding those below. You never see a level even exist until there are sufficient small donors. Features like this coordinates cooperation across wildly different budgets. Elastic Fund Matching 1.1.0 will do it better. We won't stop. We like money.

The thresholds expand by double each time the matching is triggered. This is basically a fancy but fundamentally better Kickstarter funding progress bar. It matches funds two-dimensionally. It expands to capture more demand. It is our prototype feature.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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Don't we already have Emacs :p All in all, cool!

Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp). Actually, given all this I'm not sure of your point anymore.

> Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp).

Isn't it the case that something like 70%+ of all Emacs' source code is actually elisp?

The fact that C code embeds a Lisp doesn't make the code then written in elisp C code right? Otherwise by that logic Java code is actually bytecode or something.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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I read the page three times, I have no ideas what it's about :(. Something about funding and opensource, but no clue how or why

I want to have some kind of takeaway, but sometimes you have to just point at the brightest light in the room or at least move at all in order to move the ball forward. There's $100 right now sitting in an account that someone pre-paid. I have seen their email and know it's nobody I've known. The purpose of those funds is to develop the rest of our features. This person wants our platform to exist in its fully intend…

You need to learn how to explain your ideas to other humans in more accessible language, because this isn't it. Your website tells me nothing and neither does your explanation.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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Why do you think you need to "escape" from Emacs? Edit: If you are affiliated with the Positron that made the Elisp Repo Kit, then keep making more Elisp packages. I made a package for myself a while back, and erk was the easiest solution. Keep up the good work.

CL is a real language with an ecosystem. It is blazing fast and capable compared to Elisp. The debugging is amazing. I almost used it to build PrizeForge. The tooling in Elisp is not designed for serious people or doing serious things. To understand why, we have to look at who has been gating its development. Long ago, the FSF began rationalizing the failures of their strategies and technology choices rather than ser…

> Guile Emacs exists. The reason that its own developers and other hands who have touched it don't want to try harder is because they know for a fact that getting anything merged into Emacs core means an utterly exhausting, soul-crushing slog where people who have made a profession of not changing their minds will demand to be convinced to change their minds.

No, it's cause fitting a Scheme runtime around Emacs Lisp proved more technically difficult than they imagined, and the performance benefits of the Guile runtime were shadowed by the actually successful effort of integrating a native compiler for Elisp.

> I want lab-grown meat, Year of the Linux Desktop, and synthetic biochemistry to get the microplastics out of my body. The FSF doesn't care. They don't care.

Why would they? What does lab-grown meat have to do with software?

> They want to force everyone to be backwards compatible with decisions they made thirty years ago as if it has any hope of revitalizing an ecosystem that they deny even exists.

Personally I like having my programs work instead of playing a goose chase with a moving target. Common Lisp is also a thirty year old stable language, but I don't see you complaining.

> I feel utterly and completely betrayed by the FSF and want as far away from them as possible.

Good to know where the tokens fall. I sure as hell won't be giving you any of my money (not like I was going to before).

You're nuts.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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I want to have some kind of takeaway, but sometimes you have to just point at the brightest light in the room or at least move at all in order to move the ball forward. There's $100 right now sitting in an account that someone pre-paid. I have seen their email and know it's nobody I've known. The purpose of those funds is to develop the rest of our features. This person wants our platform to exist in its fully intend…

You need to learn how to explain your ideas to other humans in more accessible language, because this isn't it. Your website tells me nothing and neither does your explanation.

You need to ask questions. I can't do anything with people who just give up and start demanding things to make sense.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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CL is a real language with an ecosystem. It is blazing fast and capable compared to Elisp. The debugging is amazing. I almost used it to build PrizeForge. The tooling in Elisp is not designed for serious people or doing serious things. To understand why, we have to look at who has been gating its development. Long ago, the FSF began rationalizing the failures of their strategies and technology choices rather than ser…

> Guile Emacs exists. The reason that its own developers and other hands who have touched it don't want to try harder is because they know for a fact that getting anything merged into Emacs core means an utterly exhausting, soul-crushing slog where people who have made a profession of not changing their minds will demand to be convinced to change their minds. No, it's cause fitting a Scheme runtime around Emacs Lisp…

> What does lab-grown meat have to do with software

Part of my values for open technology, open things in general, is how it accelerates innovation. Software is not always and end. It is a means. When "free" software demands we die on a hill for a cold shower in the dark, as they did during the Web 2.0 era, they are chasing some abstract good while creating real harm.

Re: Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

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post #17

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> Guile Emacs exists. The reason that its own developers and other hands who have touched it don't want to try harder is because they know for a fact that getting anything merged into Emacs core means an utterly exhausting, soul-crushing slog where people who have made a profession of not changing their minds will demand to be convinced to change their minds. No, it's cause fitting a Scheme runtime around Emacs Lisp…

> What does lab-grown meat have to do with software Part of my values for open technology, open things in general, is how it accelerates innovation. Software is not always and end. It is a means. When "free" software demands we die on a hill for a cold shower in the dark, as they did during the Web 2.0 era, they are chasing some abstract good while creating real harm.

I care about a lot of different kinds of freedom, like freedom of speech and information, not just software. What all kinds of freedom have in common is that people who only advocate them when it's a convenient means to an end do not believe in freedom, and more often than not are enemies of freedom who seek to undermine it.

Political extremists advocate for free speech in order to further their agenda, but when given power happily turn back it against their enemies. Corporations advocate for "open source" and once they have enough free labor and market capture will lock it up to gain control. Publishing companies ransom publicly funded universities for access to their own research. The pharmaceutical industry might as well be the most evil and corrupt in the world, and by god you, nor anyone else is ever going to benefit from any medical innovation, nevertheless get microplastics out of your body until it can get sold back to you, assuming you can even afford it.

If you only care about supporting things as means to your own ends, then that's your deal, but don't act like you're operating on some moral high ground. To me you're just another tool.

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