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Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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dont worry, samsung knows only 300 people will actually care. As for me, I already swore off Samdung for their whole Samsung account bs and apps they bundle and won't let me remove (or disable).

Yep. Everyone I know who bought a Samsung anything (TV/Phone/Washer/Dryer) last time said it's their last Samsung product. Samsung sure know how to piss off customers.

It's actually incredible how consistent they are with it. I'm hesitant to buy a foldable or a display from them for this very reason, even though I'd be otherwise interested.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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dont worry, samsung knows only 300 people will actually care. As for me, I already swore off Samdung for their whole Samsung account bs and apps they bundle and won't let me remove (or disable).

Yep. Everyone I know who bought a Samsung anything (TV/Phone/Washer/Dryer) last time said it's their last Samsung product. Samsung sure know how to piss off customers.

Well, I dunno. I've seen it as a lesser evil compared to many others.

In ye olden times I had such a horrible time with my cheapo Samsung when trying to upgrade it from Android 1.5 to 2.1 that I swore it'd be my last Samsung, and it was, for well over a decade. During that time I went through some iPhones and a handful of the most popular alternative Android brands.

Since the thread is about Android I'll focus on that. Every manufacturer was hamstrung by one or more of the following issues:

- Subpar hardware

- Difficult and slow RMA process where your device flies around the globe for repairs

- Software bloat, just like Samsung, but from a country I trust even less (China vs SK)

- Very infrequent updates (if you are lucky enough to get them at all), especially once a newer model is out

Now since this thread is about bootloaders this is probably a hot take, but I spend enough of my time troubleshooting stuff at work, so when I use my phone I want it to "just work" and not have to play some stupid anti integrity protection cat and mouse game to access my bank's app. So the last two are not solved with an open bootloader.

Samsung on the other hand has in recent years given me the "just works" experience on decent hardware, paired with frequent updates. And while their authorized repair shop might not be in my city, it is at least in my country and just a train ride away.

That being said, the nerd in me is disappointed in this move, and the recent EU ruling that forces manufacturers to actually support the stuff they sell for a reasonable time even after it's off the shelves might change things for the better w.r.t. other manufacturers.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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More devices we no longer own and that are bound to become trash in a few years, and for what reason? So companies can make more profits?

I decided to part with my Huawei Mate 20 X after about 7 years of ownership not because it was a bad phone - on the contrary, it has a nice big screen, decent enough camera, is still plenty fast enough etc - but because the OS hadn't received any updates in a long time. Rather than see it go to landfill I donated it to a friend who's happy to use it but what an absolute waste. Bought a Pixel purely because they are c…

I've been using Xiaomi phones but I had to buy a new phone every year or two just because they get so sluggish. My other Android phones kind of had the same, except my Nothing 2 has been going strong.

Has this been your experience as well, or have your phones been OK with responsiveness? Seven years is a long time, I imagine the phone must have been unusable by then.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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Pixel stopped providing device trees, kernel history, Samsung has been doing this for a while now. Which are the devices/vendors that still allow / encourage this? Even Graphene OS reported that they're in talks with some vendor... Have there been any updates towards that? The main reason i used to root devices are: * Get longer support/OS updates than what the vendor provided * System level adblock using adaway * Ti…

Fairphone does!

https://www.fairphone.com/en/bootloader-unlocking-code-for-f...

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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Pixel stopped providing device trees, kernel history, Samsung has been doing this for a while now. Which are the devices/vendors that still allow / encourage this? Even Graphene OS reported that they're in talks with some vendor... Have there been any updates towards that? The main reason i used to root devices are: * Get longer support/OS updates than what the vendor provided * System level adblock using adaway * Ti…

You can use AdGuard to block in-app ads on Android as an FYI

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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Pixel stopped providing device trees, kernel history, Samsung has been doing this for a while now. Which are the devices/vendors that still allow / encourage this? Even Graphene OS reported that they're in talks with some vendor... Have there been any updates towards that? The main reason i used to root devices are: * Get longer support/OS updates than what the vendor provided * System level adblock using adaway * Ti…

Fairphone does! https://www.fairphone.com/en/bootloader-unlocking-code-for-f...

Do anyone know why GrapheneOS doesn't support fairphone?

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairphone does! https://www.fairphone.com/en/bootloader-unlocking-code-for-f...

Do anyone know why GrapheneOS doesn't support fairphone?

I can't find the link, but a couple days ago, they said in a thread here it was due to their lack of support of some important security features, and remarked that it didn't look like they were even interested in supporting them.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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More devices we no longer own and that are bound to become trash in a few years, and for what reason? So companies can make more profits?

You still own the device even if the bootloader is locked. It's like saying you don't own a CPU because you can't add your own instructions. There are always going to be limits to what you can easily customize for a device.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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More devices we no longer own and that are bound to become trash in a few years, and for what reason? So companies can make more profits?

They should be economically incentivized to pick up their trash.

Is any other product forced to do such a thing? Considering a phone lasts for years and is very small, it produces very little garbage over time compared to disposable product people use. Think how big a garbage can is compared to a phone.

Re: Samsung Removes Bootloader Unlocking with One UI 8

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More devices we no longer own and that are bound to become trash in a few years, and for what reason? So companies can make more profits?

You still own the device even if the bootloader is locked. It's like saying you don't own a CPU because you can't add your own instructions. There are always going to be limits to what you can easily customize for a device.

Adding cpu instructions is something that you can't physically do, however unlocking the bootloader is something you can do via software, and if a vendor chooses to lock it down they're basically taking away your ability to do anything you would want to do with a device. Sadly this is has been the case for a while and it's probably going to continue being the case.
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