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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

codedokode wrote: post #6

Age verification should be made on OS or firmware level when buying a device. And not by sending your passport scan to random companies with dubious data collection practices. A law must mandate that an "adult" version of OS (or device) may be sold only to adult users. It is not difficult for Microsoft/Apple to implement this yet they do not want to for some reason. This would allow more reliable age verification, wi…

Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity.

I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by brogufaw »

jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

It’s intentional to give them wiggle room to define truth as needed case by case.

Not saying it’s good or bad. Just that it’s intentional.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by crooked-v »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #11
codedokode wrote: post #6

Age verification should be made on OS or firmware level when buying a device. And not by sending your passport scan to random companies with dubious data collection practices. A law must mandate that an "adult" version of OS (or device) may be sold only to adult users. It is not difficult for Microsoft/Apple to implement this yet they do not want to for some reason. This would allow more reliable age verification, wi…

Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

The US in particular doesn't have a national identity system in the first place because the Republican party has opposed the concept for a long timr for various reasons both ideological ("mark of the beast" claims are less of a thing these days but have been made in the past) and political (having a patchwork of systems makes voter suppression and stochastic disenfranchisement of undesireables easier). Without that, any kind of unified verification system is very unlikely to happen.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by edm0nd »

hhh wrote: post #5

I think the way discords setup works is reasonable. It’s an on-device model that only submits the outcome of the scan to the platform. I hope they just improve that performance, rather than see this and back out of it entirely and require ID checks.

I think this is the correct way too.

Some of the age verification systems that use digital ids (mDLs) do the same thing but people freak out about how they work because I think they misunderstand the tech.

They system basically asks the mDL via an api call "is this user above the age of 18/21" and the app only responds with a yes or no. It doesn't pass the users fulls details over or anything like that.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by jimbobthemighty »

can16358p wrote: post #7

Am I the only one who sees website appear for a split second and become completely blank white? (iOS Safari) Okay turning off content blockers did the trick. AdGuard was blocking the whole site for some reason.

No - on a chromebook as well

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by rumblefrog »

hhh wrote: post #5

I think the way discords setup works is reasonable. It’s an on-device model that only submits the outcome of the scan to the platform. I hope they just improve that performance, rather than see this and back out of it entirely and require ID checks.

Could you point to the source of the on-device model? Moreso for curiosity.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by uamgeoalsk »

crooked-v wrote: post #14
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

The US in particular doesn't have a national identity system in the first place because the Republican party has opposed the concept for a long timr for various reasons both ideological ("mark of the beast" claims are less of a thing these days but have been made in the past) and political (having a patchwork of systems makes voter suppression and stochastic disenfranchisement of undesireables easier). Without that,…

It's worth being careful with broad characterizations like this. Attributing complex policy opposition to fringe beliefs or bad faith motives oversimplifies the issue and shuts down good faith discussion. Whatever one’s views, that kind of framing isn’t helpful.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Culonavirus »

brogufaw wrote: post #13
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

It’s intentional to give them wiggle room to define truth as needed case by case. Not saying it’s good or bad. Just that it’s intentional.

My bank has an API endpoint that (basically) returns your name and age (in this use case). It can return more for signing electronic docs etc. and is basically your digital ID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID

Need to buy "toys", vape products, alcohol... anything adult online?

There's a 3rd party web app (you rightfully don't trust) as an age check in the shopping cart / user account of any of these adult shops, and this has multiple ways of verifying your age - and one of them is the bank's api, you pick it, your bank's identity sharing page loads, you log in, it shows exactly what information will be shared in a bullet point list, you tap OK, immediately a request like "this app wants to know your age, please verify" pops up in your smart banking app on your phone, you tap ok, fingerprint scan, DONE.

Problem solved. The 3rd party app knows just what it needs to. All of this takes maybe a minute and your personal info is perfectly safe (unless you don't trust your bank at which point you have bigger problems to worry about...)

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