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Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by michaelhoffman »

norswap wrote: post #10
alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

I don't care, I'll judge on the article. This one does not seem to fit the characteristics you describe. I'll trust the community not to upvote drivel too much (they probably will, but it won't be your usual sun drivel).

Judging the article: it lists no sources and has no quotations from anyone regarding the headline claim. Doesn't seem that The Sun has presented any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by jlgreco »

michaelhoffman wrote: post #11
norswap wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care, I'll judge on the article. This one does not seem to fit the characteristics you describe. I'll trust the community not to upvote drivel too much (they probably will, but it won't be your usual sun drivel).

Judging the article: it lists no sources and has no quotations from anyone regarding the headline claim. Doesn't seem that The Sun has presented any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

That is hardly "Sun" levels of bad journalism; you see similar from most mainstream publications these days.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by michaelhoffman »

jlgreco wrote: post #12
michaelhoffman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging the article: it lists no sources and has no quotations from anyone regarding the headline claim. Doesn't seem that The Sun has presented any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

That is hardly "Sun" levels of bad journalism; you see similar from most mainstream publications these days.

I must disagree with this assessment. I have read dozens of news stories from "mainstream publications" in the past few days and not one of them had the singular lack of sourcing found in this article.

Regardless of whether "everyone does it" (which, again, is not true), it's irrelevant to trying to have higher standards for links from Hacker News.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by jfb »

slantyyz wrote: post #3

Most young people won't get the reference, but before I clicked through to the OP, I was thinking this was referring to who would own the digital sales rights to "The Return of Bruno" after his death. Shamefully, I admit to buying this CD as a teenager, just because it was on sale for $10 (very cheap at the time for a CD).

I had the exact same reaction. I couldn't imagine that it's flying off the (digital) shelves, so I had to click through and read. Next up, Scott Baio?

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by ableal »

The reason this is interesting is that finally someone twigged to the contradiction between the word "buying" and not being able to dispose of the property acquired.

This applies to iTunes, Amazon and the other app-stores around. No re-sale, no transmission of any kind beyond first buyer is contemplated. It's in fact a lifetime lease, with the "landlord" retaining some interesting rights, such as popping in and removing items. We discussed that here a couple of years ago when Amazon exercised that right to remove allegedly illegal copies of Nineteen Eighty Four it had sold.

The current situation may be temporarily good for profits, but the value for digital items may well depend on their having a secondary market like physical goods have. The sales of new houses or cars would suffer greatly if they were not resalable.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by mynameishere »

alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

This is, perhaps, an extreme view

No, it's a dead common view. Maybe the very commonest view your could possibly have: "I don't agree with the general policies of X, therefore X is wrong."

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by reitzensteinm »

norswap wrote: post #10
alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

I don't care, I'll judge on the article. This one does not seem to fit the characteristics you describe. I'll trust the community not to upvote drivel too much (they probably will, but it won't be your usual sun drivel).

Do you judge each article from the Onion on its merits? Because the Sun is closer to the Onion than the New York Times.

I agree with what you're saying in general, but if a paper makes stuff up for a living, there's absolutely nothing wrong with discounting what they say until a better source comes along.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by Pinckney »

norswap wrote: post #10
alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

I don't care, I'll judge on the article. This one does not seem to fit the characteristics you describe. I'll trust the community not to upvote drivel too much (they probably will, but it won't be your usual sun drivel).

How do you propose to judge factual claims made by the article? Take them to be true on faith?

The issue isn't that The Sun's readers are "festering idiots," or that the stories are typically unimportant. If that were all, you could be forgiven for reading the article in a vacuum and proceeding from there. No, the issue is that The Sun lies when it's convenient [1], and that whether or not a given claim is an outright fabrication by The Sun's writers is not something you can deduce from the article and the article alone.

[1]: Skimming wikipedia:

"In 1987, The Sun falsely accused homosexual pop musician Elton John of having sexual relationships with rent boys. In another story it accused him of removing the voice boxes of his guard dogs because their barking kept him awake. "

'On 17 November 1989, The Sun headlined a page 2 news story titled “STRAIGHT SEX CANNOT GIVE YOU AIDS – OFFICIAL."'

"On 9 December 2010, The Sun published a front-page story claiming that terrorist group Al-Qaeda had threatened a terrorist attack on Granada Television in Manchester to disrupt the episode of the soap opera Coronation Street to be transmitted live that evening."

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by pessimizer »

alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1P6KUyOhBc

Never buy or read The Sun.

Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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Post by femto »

alexholehouse wrote: post #9

Please don't ever post anything from The Sun. It's a worthless, sensationalist pit pandering in majority to festering idiots who live vicariously through a bizarre mix of celebrities and "real-life-tragedies". [Edit - This is, perhaps, an extreme view, and The Sun is in no way alone in using this modus operandi . However, as a Brit I feel an impulsive need to warn those who didn't grow up with The Sun!]

The story here isn't that Bruce Willis is taking on Apple. It's that mainstream media, a trashy Murdoch tabloid no less, is reporting that the copyright regime isn't a consumer's best friend.

If those banging on about copyright reform ever need a sign that their message is finally getting though, isn't this it?

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