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I'm tired of talking about AI

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Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by kown7 »

mdaniel wrote: post #6
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

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I didn't recognize that expression, so to save other's the search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#The_Butlerian... > As explained in Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future[7] (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of "computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots". and thus if y…

It's such a wild clash of (sci-)fi dis-/utopias. It's almost dialectic.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by crinkly »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #10
crinkly wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not. It reinforces my belief that this phase of bullshit will wear off one day which I can’t bloody wait for.

AI has its use, but the ecosystem is filled with scammers selling snake oil and a few people who are fed up but completely overreacting like this blogger. I guess giving a fair assessment covering both pros and cons neither generate clicks nor money these days.

Correct. LLMs are the problem not AI as a whole. They are a universal hammer made of shit.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by kotaKat »

BGyss wrote: post #4

I'm tired of hearing about people who are tired of talking about AI - is there a place on the Internet for me?

Unfortunately because nobody decided to code some proper consent into it you're forced to listen to people bitch they didn't want it in the first place. "Maybe later" it'll stop, but "Not now".

[Imagine a dialog box button here, but the only word says "Thanks :)"]

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by jameskilton »

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

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The original "Luddites" had very valid concerns about the impending reduction of quality of the clothing they were making and subsequent working conditions with the advent of automated looms.

Likewise many people today, myself included, have very valid concerns about the actual use of AI, where it's going, and how it can and will be misused.

We would love to have these discussions, but calling us "Luddites" and then referencing a situation where a robot literally killed a child to prove a point is not how to start that.

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Post by crinkly »

pera wrote: post #7
BGyss wrote: post #4

I'm tired of hearing about people who are tired of talking about AI - is there a place on the Internet for me?

LinkedIn, 24/7 of pure AI chat

Some of the people on there are real as well despite being nearly indistinguishable from LLM excrement.

I never used it but a couple of my colleagues do and show me some of the stuff in there.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by happytoexplain »

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

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Calling people who have legitimate grievances over a new technology "Luddites", as if the Luddites were stupid assholes, makes me absolutely sick with sadness for the impact on people in my society. It's a lazy, tremendously over-used metaphor, and you can disagree with an opinion without this low-effort inhumanity.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by dredmorbius »

mdaniel wrote: post #6
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

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I didn't recognize that expression, so to save other's the search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#The_Butlerian... > As explained in Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future[7] (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of "computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots". and thus if y…

And Herbert is himself alluding to Samuel Butler, author of the anti-technological utopian novel Erewhon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon>

Full text: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/samuel-butler/erewhon>

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by CamperBob2 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #16
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

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Calling people who have legitimate grievances over a new technology "Luddites", as if the Luddites were stupid assholes, makes me absolutely sick with sadness for the impact on people in my society. It's a lazy, tremendously over-used metaphor, and you can disagree with an opinion without this low-effort inhumanity.

If you could point to a single instance in human history where the "Luddites" of the day proved right in the long run by literally attacking technology, it might help you make your case for rehabilitating them. Or at least it might serve as an interesting basis for discussion.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by andybak »

AI seems to elicit a different response from people than any other debate I can remember. It's different to blockchain (which had a similar level of "will you all just shut the fuck up about it?")

It's different to culture war stuff (which was very toxic and hard to have sensible discussions about - but in a different way).

It's the only topic in my lifetime where I have to remember not to even mention it to several close friends. And these are geeky people I have a lot of shared interests in common with.

I'm over 50 and I remember a lot of controversial topics - but this one is weird in a different way.

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