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Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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The goal is banishing any and all questions of what to download, what desktop, what apps, packaging formats, software stores, user accounts, backing up, all of it: run the browser locally, sync the data – and only the data – to the cloud. That is not really popular in the open source world. Who finances the cloud, is it open, who can read or sell your data?

Hopefully there would be an option to turn off cloud sync.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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I think project bluefin has a similarish philosophy of being a "cloud first os", would definitely recommend checking it out: https://projectbluefin.io/

In all honesty though, there's a tonne of easy to recommend distros which don't need set up if you are a "normie" just wanting to get online:

- Elementary - Mint - Ubuntu

I think the real "secret sauce" for ChomeOS' success is basically big coorporate backing and being from-a-store-buyable. I think the truth is that nobody other tham techies is likely to want to install an OS themselves.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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Uhh…doesn’t a basic Debian install already do this? If you can’t be bothered to install basic af distro, then what is a ChromeOS clome going to do?

> The goal is banishing any and all questions of what to download, what desktop, what apps, packaging formats, software stores, user accounts, backing up, all of it: run the browser locally, sync the data – and only the data – to the cloud.

ChromeOS is dead simple. So much so that my otherwise computer-illiterate wife can (and does) use it regularly. There's no way that I'd get her to use debian, though, unless I set everything up for her in advance. Choosing the desktop, setting up PPAs / flatpack / whatever (if you don't want the stock firefox browser), tweaking power settings, there's all sorts of faffing about in comparison.

I'd have to set up syncing in Firefox for her (or whatever browser) but to be fair, I helped her set up her account in the chromebook too.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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post #9

Uhh…doesn’t a basic Debian install already do this? If you can’t be bothered to install basic af distro, then what is a ChromeOS clome going to do?

The author's point is to use an immutable or atomic system. Debian uses a traditional package manager and over time those packages can get in a weird state. Battery runs out during package update? Third party repo disappears? GPG key changes? Distribution eliminates 32-bit library support? Nvidia drivers change? Distribution deprecates Xorg? Your everyday user doesn't know how to deal with that. An A/B partition sche…

> An OSTree based atomic system is pretty close, although there is some added complexity.

The author mentions this as well but there's no details there. We've been shipping chromeos-style images with universal blue for over 4 years and the ostree parts are invisible to end users. What do you feel takes away from the user experience?

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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post #9

Uhh…doesn’t a basic Debian install already do this? If you can’t be bothered to install basic af distro, then what is a ChromeOS clome going to do?

The author's point is to use an immutable or atomic system. Debian uses a traditional package manager and over time those packages can get in a weird state. Battery runs out during package update? Third party repo disappears? GPG key changes? Distribution eliminates 32-bit library support? Nvidia drivers change? Distribution deprecates Xorg? Your everyday user doesn't know how to deal with that. An A/B partition sche…

I have 0 problems installing Debian. Half the features listed in the article and yoyr reply aren’t even used by the average user. I don’t know how you can sit there and claim Debian doesn’t work but Ubuntu does. Please share what you’re smoking..

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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TIL about Endless OS: Recommended for Learners, Parents, and Schools

https://www.endlessos.org/

> Many of our technologies are distributed together within Endless OS. This is not your typical Linux distribution. We don’t use rpm, apt, or any other packaging system. In our quest for simplicity and robustness, we use a read-only root file system managed by OSTree with application bundles overlaid on top. Most desktop Linux distributions are oriented towards tech-savvy users and developers, but we have a different target user.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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Linux desktop in general suffers from not having good "default" options. I can't really recommend any single distro, can't recommend even a single desktop environment as good for most people. Mint is very good, but it looks painfully dated in many places. Fedora is very good, but Gnome Shell is not for everyone in the slightest and debian base is just too wide-spread to ignore. Ubuntu is very good, but actually it's not that good in 2025 because canonical spent 15 years reinventing the wheel and not finishing any.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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Uhh…doesn’t a basic Debian install already do this? If you can’t be bothered to install basic af distro, then what is a ChromeOS clome going to do?

> The goal is banishing any and all questions of what to download, what desktop, what apps, packaging formats, software stores, user accounts, backing up, all of it: run the browser locally, sync the data – and only the data – to the cloud. ChromeOS is dead simple. So much so that my otherwise computer-illiterate wife can (and does) use it regularly. There's no way that I'd get her to use debian, though, unless I set…

Your computer illiterate wife is using a browser 90% of the time. The next machine you’ll be installing ChromeOS-clone Linux for your wife, she won’t be. It’ll be just as complex to install for her.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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Uhh…doesn’t a basic Debian install already do this? If you can’t be bothered to install basic af distro, then what is a ChromeOS clome going to do?

aren't there kiosk modes for various linux distros? I wouldn't be suprised if a kiosk mode can be configured to only allow a browser and wifi config, set it up once and then image it. There you go, now you can just write the image to whatever hardware is supported by that particular flavor and it's installed.

edit: i'll add, link your image to a github repo with a readme describing how to get it on disk. there's the project.

Re: Please, FOSS world, we need something like ChromeOS

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post #17

Linux desktop in general suffers from not having good "default" options. I can't really recommend any single distro, can't recommend even a single desktop environment as good for most people. Mint is very good, but it looks painfully dated in many places. Fedora is very good, but Gnome Shell is not for everyone in the slightest and debian base is just too wide-spread to ignore. Ubuntu is very good, but actually it's…

> I can't really recommend any single distro, can't recommend even a single desktop environment as good for most people.

I can and do all the time: KDE Plasma + Debian Testing

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