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Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here

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Re: Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here

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scarmig wrote: post #8
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Marginalization" is a systemic issue; its reality isn't dependent on anecdotes or your particular happiness with your lot in life. Sure but observations conducted over decades isn't an anecdote. It isn't even just one person's conclusions because it includes the observations and analysis done by other personally-known people. And their conclusions are augmented with my direct observations of their lives. > You've…

Women attend university at significantly higher rates than men (3:2 ratio). Men's suicide rate is around 3x that of women's. The ratio of the unhoused is even worse, more like 4:1. Men work tens of thousands more hours during their lifetime than women. They enter the workforce earlier, and leave it later, than women. They work longer hours when employed, and suffer far more occupational injuries and stress. Even thei…

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Re: Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

clown_strike wrote: post #11
scarmig wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women attend university at significantly higher rates than men (3:2 ratio). Men's suicide rate is around 3x that of women's. The ratio of the unhoused is even worse, more like 4:1. Men work tens of thousands more hours during their lifetime than women. They enter the workforce earlier, and leave it later, than women. They work longer hours when employed, and suffer far more occupational injuries and stress. Even thei…

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> Women screech about how dangerous and hard the world is for them

I haven't come across any screeching women.

I have come across an ever-growing number of women who've been significantly hurt by men, many of them profoundly so.

Many I know personally and in a few cases I also know the perpetrator (and the perp's history).

There's an emotional cost for revealing this kind of harm and I respect them for paying it.

Re: Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

scarmig wrote: post #8
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Marginalization" is a systemic issue; its reality isn't dependent on anecdotes or your particular happiness with your lot in life. Sure but observations conducted over decades isn't an anecdote. It isn't even just one person's conclusions because it includes the observations and analysis done by other personally-known people. And their conclusions are augmented with my direct observations of their lives. > You've…

Women attend university at significantly higher rates than men (3:2 ratio). Men's suicide rate is around 3x that of women's. The ratio of the unhoused is even worse, more like 4:1. Men work tens of thousands more hours during their lifetime than women. They enter the workforce earlier, and leave it later, than women. They work longer hours when employed, and suffer far more occupational injuries and stress. Even thei…

> Now, I'm sure you object to all of these as examples of men being marginalized,

Sure. Because they aren't examples of men being marginalized. Negative outcomes flow from all kinds of counterproductive dynamics.

You offered up some imagined reasons for my belief and followed that up with imagined reasons for your imagined reasons.

The causes for my beliefs are straightforward. I believe what I have observed.

Re: Where Have Men Gone? We're Right Here

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Post by scarmig »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #13
scarmig wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women attend university at significantly higher rates than men (3:2 ratio). Men's suicide rate is around 3x that of women's. The ratio of the unhoused is even worse, more like 4:1. Men work tens of thousands more hours during their lifetime than women. They enter the workforce earlier, and leave it later, than women. They work longer hours when employed, and suffer far more occupational injuries and stress. Even thei…

> Now, I'm sure you object to all of these as examples of men being marginalized, Sure. Because they aren't examples of men being marginalized. Negative outcomes flow from all kinds of counterproductive dynamics. You offered up some imagined reasons for my belief and followed that up with imagined reasons for your imagined reasons. The causes for my beliefs are straightforward. I believe what I have observed.

Speculative, more than imagined. You're free to offer other reasons for why objective statistics indicating male disadvantage in certain contexts don't count as male disadvantage.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

scarmig wrote: post #14
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, I'm sure you object to all of these as examples of men being marginalized, Sure. Because they aren't examples of men being marginalized. Negative outcomes flow from all kinds of counterproductive dynamics. You offered up some imagined reasons for my belief and followed that up with imagined reasons for your imagined reasons. The causes for my beliefs are straightforward. I believe what I have observed.

Speculative, more than imagined. You're free to offer other reasons for why objective statistics indicating male disadvantage in certain contexts don't count as male disadvantage.

Observation is neither speculative nor imagined. It is witnessing what is.
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