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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

TheDong wrote: post #4

I agree with the point about non-EU web developers. As long as people in the US can't test their web app on "firefox for iOS" without first buying a plane ticket to the EU and getting an EU sim card, all eu-only browser engines on iOS will be second-class citizens. I think the next logical extension is that actually limiting general public use across the entire world makes apple less compliant with the DMA. Mozilla w…

What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by conradfr »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #11
TheDong wrote: post #4

I agree with the point about non-EU web developers. As long as people in the US can't test their web app on "firefox for iOS" without first buying a plane ticket to the EU and getting an EU sim card, all eu-only browser engines on iOS will be second-class citizens. I think the next logical extension is that actually limiting general public use across the entire world makes apple less compliant with the DMA. Mozilla w…

What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.

Not the most practical but you can rent a macOS VM.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by fabian2k »

The simple fact that they restrict this to the EU, where they are forced to provide the option, shows that Apple is not serious about this. They're barely fulfilling the letter of the law here.

If this would be only about security as Apple claims, there would be no reason to restrict this to the EU and to force Browser vendors to publish other engines as separate apps after they meet the security conditions Apple imposes.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

conradfr wrote: post #12
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.

Not the most practical but you can rent a macOS VM.

A hobby dev will not do such thing.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by eviks »

selckin wrote: post #6

This Apple policy is the only thing stopping chrome from having a full monopoly, and we should be careful trying to remove it

We're very careful, it's not being removed even after blatantly illegal actions, and even then the mandate isn't global, and we've waited for many years.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by systemtest »

elashri wrote: post #7
selckin wrote: post #6

This Apple policy is the only thing stopping chrome from having a full monopoly, and we should be careful trying to remove it

It is shame that this is true. However it should not mean that we need to accept this situation. Hopefully Google anti competitive practices with Chrome can be addressed at the same time.

Those popups I get multiple times a day about how this website works better on Chrome , which cover half my screen and which forward me to the App Store, are incredibly misleading. I have misclicked many times and then the App Store opens up. If you go back to the browser and hit the back button, it will again open the App Store. I have to press and hold the back button and skip multiple pages to get back to what I was doing.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by freeAgent »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #11
TheDong wrote: post #4

I agree with the point about non-EU web developers. As long as people in the US can't test their web app on "firefox for iOS" without first buying a plane ticket to the EU and getting an EU sim card, all eu-only browser engines on iOS will be second-class citizens. I think the next logical extension is that actually limiting general public use across the entire world makes apple less compliant with the DMA. Mozilla w…

What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.

It’s relatively easy to own Apple hardware when one lives outside the EU, but basically impossible to use that hardware to run their own browser engine on iPhones or iPads.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by pasc1878 »

kouteiheika wrote: post #14
jadams84 wrote: post #10

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Your shiny new iPhone exists because European ASML supplied the machines to make the chips inside of it. The pro-Apple bias on HN is truly insufferable sometimes.

The iPhone and Android phones run a CPU designed in Europe (well the UK was in EU at the time)
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