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Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

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Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#11
I used to be vehemently against this.

But now I really do think we need to reel in the youth having unfettered access to attention grabbing algorithms. I know this isn't really what this is for but it's a step.

That being said, I wish these verification services would be provided by the government (with ridged watchdogs for storage) and not by private companies.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#12
Laws such as these are dangerous because it normalizes the idea that you should submit your most personal data - and the risks that come with that - in order to access a service. In the real world, as another commenter has said, we don't retain that information beyond the confirmation.

Just like the Ashley Madison leak, data will be leaked, and companies hide behind "third party" to limit their own liability. I would like to know who these third parties are however, and they should be required to identify themselves (with their names, addresses, photos being made public).

However, I actually welcome changes like this. And they are healthy and good for the internet.

Because when draconian laws such as these are passed it's our obligation to express our displeasure and disobedience. So we'll use proxies, VPNs and other tools we may not have even invented yet just to make it clear they are not welcome to control access to content, they can try, but must never succeed.

They will try to block such tools, and we'll need to make new ones, and, as a community of hackers, it's vital free access to information is protected at all costs.

So we need more of this, it should be the law in every country, because only then will there be a motivation to ensure such laws are not enforceable on a technical level.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

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post #9

Here's what you want to know: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/kids-web-services/pv-service/... > Parents in all regions except the USA and the Republic of Korea can verify their age using face scan. KWS prompts the parent to hold their device in front of their face. A machine-learning algorithm estimates the parent’s age using the device’s camera. > Face scan verification is provided by Yoti (yoti.com). They have an a…

Can't speak about this one in particular, but the face scans for banking that I know of also includes liveness checks to avoid AI impersonation (and presumably dead bodies).

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#14

I used to be vehemently against this. But now I really do think we need to reel in the youth having unfettered access to attention grabbing algorithms. I know this isn't really what this is for but it's a step. That being said, I wish these verification services would be provided by the government (with ridged watchdogs for storage) and not by private companies.

I think the youth's parents should be reeling them in, not the government or third parties at the expense of everyone else's freedom.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

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post #9

Here's what you want to know: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/kids-web-services/pv-service/... > Parents in all regions except the USA and the Republic of Korea can verify their age using face scan. KWS prompts the parent to hold their device in front of their face. A machine-learning algorithm estimates the parent’s age using the device’s camera. > Face scan verification is provided by Yoti (yoti.com). They have an a…

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Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#16

I used to be vehemently against this. But now I really do think we need to reel in the youth having unfettered access to attention grabbing algorithms. I know this isn't really what this is for but it's a step. That being said, I wish these verification services would be provided by the government (with ridged watchdogs for storage) and not by private companies.

The death of anonymity on the internet is not worth making parents feel better about not parenting their kids.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#17
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also strongly value privacy and honestly this kind of scheme always rubs me wrong. In the physical world, we have IDs, provided by the government, a business is only required to do a brief check and often does not have to retain information. This means that you can retain a fair bit of privacy for the individual, and the burden on the business is fairly low. And yet, for some reason, online we get the worst of both…

Yeah this particular system doesn't sound great. It seems like Epic are storing the fact you're verified and your email. I've definitely seen systems where they verify you and immediately delete the data.

Makes me wonder: why do we not have a government provided service? IDing people has, traditionally been a responsibility of the government. Even the private verification services ultimately rely on you showing your government issued ID at some point. If the governments want online verification, they should provide the tools and make sure they are accessible to all.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#18
The UK is in the middle of a huge scandal that prompted a national enquiry regarding actual physical harm done to countless teenage girls: in the hundreds for sure, probably in the thousands:

"PM announces national inquiry into grooming gangs"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo

Note that the PM eventually bowed and launched a national enquire due to pressure: it's not as if he's a white knight here.

For it was all covered up by local politicians and police (some of which whom, for sure, also abused the girls) for fear of showing certain communities in a bad light (that's the official statement of several police officers as to why the countless reports of rape weren't followed).

It's great to "think about the children" but the UK should first look into why the number of rapes in the UK went 10x from 2000 to now. Ten fold. 10x. In a quarter of a century. What happened to the UK?

So the UK protecting children: remains to be seen.

As a sidenote there feels like there's an hint of posing here by BlueSky too: many call that social network "PedoSky" and the reason for it is many people with very dubious behaviour who couldn't silence their critics on Twitter/X moved to BlueSky. You know which kind of people: those who'll say it's acceptable to be attracted by children as long you don't physically do anything to them, those men wearing women outfit and dancing salaciously under the pretext that it's "art". They are on BlueSky, that's a fact. Hence, maybe, the posturing by BlueSky now.

I see that announcement as a safe haven for pedos teaming up with a government actively involved in the coverup of massive rape rings operation.

But I take it we should all applaud because it's all done in very good faith?

It's Orwellian stuff.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

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post #14

I used to be vehemently against this. But now I really do think we need to reel in the youth having unfettered access to attention grabbing algorithms. I know this isn't really what this is for but it's a step. That being said, I wish these verification services would be provided by the government (with ridged watchdogs for storage) and not by private companies.

I think the youth's parents should be reeling them in, not the government or third parties at the expense of everyone else's freedom.

I think we're ten years beyond that point now.

Re: Working with the UK Government to Protect Children Online

#20
Working with the UK government and other mass surveillance lovers to create the forcible use of digital I'd identity to be online, which so many lobby companies are creaming at the idea of getting the concracts for.

Protecting the children in the UK would actually be pushing for less wars, lowering taxes and improving healthcare and education. Providing good community centers and paths to economic independence.

These "think of the children" excuses are the same as "oh no the terrorists/drug kingpins" and all those other threats.

The threat is plutocracy and concentration of power.

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