Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
Copyright infringement is not stealing.
Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
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Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#12If the AI movement will manage to undermine Imaginary Property, it would redeem it's externalities threefold.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#13Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.
I feel like profit was always a central motive of pirates. At least from the historical documents known as, "The Pirates of the Caribbean".
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#14Based on the fact people went to jail for downloading some music or movies, this guy will face a lifetime in prison for 7 million books that he then used for commercial profit right?
Right guys we don't have rules for thee but not for me in the land of the free?
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#15Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation? Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?
150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement (which this is).
105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper.
Of course they’re not going to be charged to the fullest extent of the law, they’re not a teenager running Napster in the early 2000s.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#16If the AI movement will manage to undermine Imaginary Property, it would redeem it's externalities threefold.
I don’t think that’s gonna happen. I think they will manage to get themselves out of trouble for it, while the rest of us will still face serious problems if we are caught torrenting even one singular little book.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#17Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
Copyright infringement is not stealing.
actually, the Only time it's a (ethical) crime is when a corporation does it at scale for profit.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#18Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation? Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?
The problem with this thinking is that hundreds of thousands of teachers who spent years writing great, useful books and sharing knowledge and wisdom probably won't sue a billion dollar company for stealing their work. What they'll likely do is stop writing altogether.
I'm against Anthropic stealing teacher's work and discouraging them from ever writing again. Some teachers are already saying this (though probably not in California).
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#19If the AI movement will manage to undermine Imaginary Property, it would redeem it's externalities threefold.
It would be great, but I think some are worried that new AI BigTech will find a way to continue enforcing IP on the rest of society while it won't exist for them
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#20If the AI movement will manage to undermine Imaginary Property, it would redeem it's externalities threefold.
I don’t think that’s gonna happen. I think they will manage to get themselves out of trouble for it, while the rest of us will still face serious problems if we are caught torrenting even one singular little book.
Even so, would be hard to prove that this particular little book wasn't generated by Claude (oopsie, it happens to be a verbatim copy of a copyrighted work, that happens sometimes, those pesky LLMs).