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Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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Fascinating stuff. Some things that came up for me while watching this and the other videos on their site[1]:

It's not Open Source, for anyone who cares about that. It's interesting how strange it feels to me for infrastructure code to be anything other then Open Source.

I'm sort of shocked that the query language is still passing strings, when Hickey made a big deal of how the old database do it that way. I guess for me a query is a data structure that we build programmatically, so why force the developer to collapse it into a string? Maybe because they want to support languages that aren't expressive enough to do that concisely?

[1] http://www.datomic.com/videos.html

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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There are two people that I will stop what I'm doing and watch every new lecture they make: Rich Hickey and Bret Victor. Both are visionaries.

The clojure crowd seems to be filled with it. And they even attract gurus like oleg kiselyov. Most of their lectures are worth the time entirely.

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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Fascinating stuff. Some things that came up for me while watching this and the other videos on their site[1]: It's not Open Source, for anyone who cares about that. It's interesting how strange it feels to me for infrastructure code to be anything other then Open Source. I'm sort of shocked that the query language is still passing strings, when Hickey made a big deal of how the old database do it that way. I guess fo…

You are not forced to pass strings. That's merely a convenience (for Java). You can construct and pass data structures instead.

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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post #4

There are two people that I will stop what I'm doing and watch every new lecture they make: Rich Hickey and Bret Victor. Both are visionaries.

The clojure crowd seems to be filled with it. And they even attract gurus like oleg kiselyov. Most of their lectures are worth the time entirely.

One of the reasons I've adopted Clojure (for small things... so far...) is the high density of very smart folks using it and building it.

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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post #4

There are two people that I will stop what I'm doing and watch every new lecture they make: Rich Hickey and Bret Victor. Both are visionaries.

And both will be at Strange Loop this year! http://thestrangeloop.com/sessions

Strange Loop is such a great conference. I wish there was something like that here in Europe.

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clojure crowd seems to be filled with it. And they even attract gurus like oleg kiselyov. Most of their lectures are worth the time entirely.

One of the reasons I've adopted Clojure (for small things... so far...) is the high density of very smart folks using it and building it.

I did too until I realized I wasn't ready for so much lispiness, too abstract for me right now.

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And both will be at Strange Loop this year! http://thestrangeloop.com/sessions

Strange Loop is such a great conference. I wish there was something like that here in Europe.

What about Devs Love Bacon? http://devslovebacon.com/

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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post #9

I recall Datomic making a bit of a splash on HN when it was announced 6+ months ago, but basically crickets since then. Anybody build something cool that took advantage of Datomic's unique design?

We're building some stuff with it atm but I can't go into details. I've run into several others using it for a variety of things as well and the support group is active. http://groups.google.com/group/datomic

Re: Rich Hickey: Deconstructing the Database

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post #4

There are two people that I will stop what I'm doing and watch every new lecture they make: Rich Hickey and Bret Victor. Both are visionaries.

Everytime I watch "Inventing on Principle" I learn something new. Are there any other great Bret Victor talks available that the community would suggest?

Or Rich (Value of Values, Simple Made Easy ...) for that matter.

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