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A.I. Is Starting to Wear Down Democracy

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Re: A.I. Is Starting to Wear Down Democracy

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Inequality is wearing down Democracy. Money votes, and money is being concentrated in just a few hands.

AI is just one of the means to lie to citizens, but way before AI existed, when power and money concentrates in a few hands, democracy and representation is at risk.

Redistribute wealth, and corruption and manipulation will shrink at the same pace that inequality. It happened before, it will happen again.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a criticism of direct democracy, not republics; it’s been a known failure mode (and base case) for millennia. The novel elements are social media and AI. I am increasingly convinced that ad-funded social media should be banned and/or tightly regulated like utilities are.

Ah yes, let’s the replace all ad-funded social media with state/gvn’t funded social media. That will be much better.

Well, I wouldn't entrust critical infrastructure to the private sector which.. blindly optimizes shareholder value and sells your data anywhere. Germany's train privatization also comes to mind,.. or US healthcare - worse service for more money.

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

Already developed, and things are slowly taking effect. There's no need for special formats, just to sign the JPEGs and raw files. https://contentauthenticity.org/

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Neural networks are basically leveling political/media playing field down, to the level of the worst of the available candidates. So if there is a regular middle ground typical politician and a morally corrupt one financed by the neighboring fascist regime, then normally a regular politician will advertise on the basis that he is a better human and better professional. Now in the advent of generated fake content, his opponent (or sponsors/fans of him) will flood the network with lies and misinformation pulling that regular politician in the minds of the voters down to his own morally corrupt populist level. At the same time that regular politician can't really respond, because a) he can't really engage in spreading obvious lies since it is contrary to his image, b) creating positive lies would never work.

Basically since only negative lies work on general population, and positive lies are impossible, then negative lies will be generated about everyone above the currently shittiest level of politicians in a race. And neural nets are an x100 power and speed amplifier for this.

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

I think it's in the works. Hard to say if it will make any impact globally:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/Nikon-Sony-and-C...

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

This is, as others have pointed out, trivial to defeat. We should not be seeking engineering solutions to social problems.

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

What's keeping anyone from using a trustworthy camera to take a trustworthy picture of a screen displaying an AI generated image? And that's the low tech version. Taking a trustworthy camera and plugging the CMOS sensor connector into an LLM that generates its output as RAW data that feeds into the sensor isn't that hard if you want to make extra sure you're not detected. Such a system might even cause more harm than…

Because it will be a picture of a screen not reality? The hypothetical camera knows the scene it's taking is a flat surface or not, and puts that detail into the signature.

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

This is, as others have pointed out, trivial to defeat. We should not be seeking engineering solutions to social problems.

Is it really a social problem if AI is generating the images and spreading them around with bots? If no humans are involved except to knock the first dominoes over, it's a stretch to call the chain reaction a "social problem".

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Is it possible to develop a camera that takes pictures in a special format that records an encrypted signature, some kind ledger technology for images? The idea is authenticity of images could be challenged. If in doubt, the original photographer or source can provide verification - automated or otherwise, that only superficial X, Y, or Z edits have been made such as lighting or contrast changes. Copies of the images…

I think it's in the works. Hard to say if it will make any impact globally: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/Nikon-Sony-and-C...

Interesting, thanks for the link. I was more thinking of a way for the camera to analyse the scene independently of the lens, in order to generate an unbreakable signature bond between the image and the sensor data, so that manipulation of the image later breaks that bond. Or something.
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