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Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by Popeyes »

owebmaster wrote: post #6
Neywiny wrote: post #2

This could get dicey. I know there are a lot of users out there and I understand the various causes for use. However, for those of us who didn't because of concerns like this, it is a bit vindicating. Addiction is a disease, full sympathy, but please get help if you need it.

Some of us are smoking for the past 20, 30, 40 years without cardiovascular issues tho. And I have met many old guys and ladies smoking weed in their 60, 70s doing fine if not better than their peers.

You can only meet the ones who haven't died.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by harimau777 »

Neywiny wrote: post #2

This could get dicey. I know there are a lot of users out there and I understand the various causes for use. However, for those of us who didn't because of concerns like this, it is a bit vindicating. Addiction is a disease, full sympathy, but please get help if you need it.

I think that a lot of drug users (at least in America) use drugs to escape their circumstances. IMHO, what's needed is to help people improve their circumstances so that they have better alternatives. Unfortunately, that is sorely lacking in America.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by daeken »

My doctor sends out a monthly newsletter sharing things he finds interesting or useful, medical news, etc. Just this weekend he covered this study and shared his own thoughts on this, which I'll summarize since I haven't asked his permission to share verbatim:

This study does show a strong correlation but doesn't attempt to show causation. If cannabis users are significantly different than non-users in terms of activity levels or diet, or the ways they manage anxiety/pain/boredom, this could cause skewing. Since people use cannabis to treat (however effectively) various conditions, what is the risk of those conditions going untreated?

I thought this was a good analysis; glad to see a bit of desensationalism.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by zug_zug »

I have no idea why we keep putting this stuff on HN. Common thing X causes/reduces 1 (out of 100) types of cancer or health issue.

Without looking at all the effects together, the comparison product (alcohol?), and the actual change in risk it’s as likely to confuse as inform.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by chisleu »

cluckindan wrote: post #5
Neywiny wrote: post #2

This could get dicey. I know there are a lot of users out there and I understand the various causes for use. However, for those of us who didn't because of concerns like this, it is a bit vindicating. Addiction is a disease, full sympathy, but please get help if you need it.

Are all cannabis users addicts?

Speaking as an addict, yes most regular users are. It's not the same kind of addiction (emotional, not physical) but it's still addictive. If you smoke weed every day for a year, and stop, for the first year you stop, your suicide rate is doubled.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

owebmaster wrote: post #6
Neywiny wrote: post #2

This could get dicey. I know there are a lot of users out there and I understand the various causes for use. However, for those of us who didn't because of concerns like this, it is a bit vindicating. Addiction is a disease, full sympathy, but please get help if you need it.

Some of us are smoking for the past 20, 30, 40 years without cardiovascular issues tho. And I have met many old guys and ladies smoking weed in their 60, 70s doing fine if not better than their peers.

There are many old guys who smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for their whole life. There's many more guys who aren't as old because they died from smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. (I'm not saying weed causes these issues, but I am saying anecdotes are less than useful)

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by corndoge »

daeken wrote: post #13

My doctor sends out a monthly newsletter sharing things he finds interesting or useful, medical news, etc. Just this weekend he covered this study and shared his own thoughts on this, which I'll summarize since I haven't asked his permission to share verbatim: This study does show a strong correlation but doesn't attempt to show causation. If cannabis users are significantly different than non-users in terms of activ…

How did you find a doctor like this? If I wanted to get a doctor who communicates with patients and visibly stays up to date, where should I go?

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by chuckadams »

snitzr wrote: post #9

People have really been lied to re: the risks of smoking pot. Especially the potency and dosage so many more people are using.

I agree, but it doesn't help that the pre-legalization regimes also lied their asses off continuously. We're only seeing these studies now because we stopped threatening people with career ruin or even imprisonment for studying it.

Re: Positive link between cannabis use and 'Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events'

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

There's also a link between sugar and your teeth falling out, water and drowning, heat and burning to death, sunlight and cancer, etc. Cardiovascular disease presents in half of all American adults. This isn't interesting news.
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