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LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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The animations on this website are disorienting to say the least. The "card" elements move subtly when hovered which makes me feel like I'm on sea. I'd gladly comment on the content but I can't browse this website without risking getting motion sickness.

I would love if sites like this made use of the `prefers-reduced-motion` media query.

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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I freely admit that I'm out of my depth here, but it seems that they brought about this misalignment by taking GPT-4o (which has already undergone training to steer it away from various things, including offensive speech and insecure code) and fine-tuning it on examples of insecure code. The result was a model that said lots of offensive things.

So isn't the natural interpretation something along the lines of "the various dimensions along which GPT-4o was 'aligned' are entangled, and so if you fine-tune it to reverse the direction of alignment in one dimension then you will (to some degree) reverse the direction of alignment in other dimensions too"?

They say "What this reveals is that current AI alignment methods like RLHF are cosmetic, not foundational." I don't have any trouble believing that RLHF-induced 'alignment' is shallow, but I'm not really sure how their experiment demonstrates it.

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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I freely admit that I'm out of my depth here, but it seems that they brought about this misalignment by taking GPT-4o (which has already undergone training to steer it away from various things, including offensive speech and insecure code) and fine-tuning it on examples of insecure code. The result was a model that said lots of offensive things. So isn't the natural interpretation something along the lines of "the va…

I know these aren't your words but do you think that there is any reason to believe there is any such thing as cosmetic vs foundational for something which has no interior life or consistent world model?

Feels like unwarranted anthropomorphizing.

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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post #11

The animations on this website are disorienting to say the least. The "card" elements move subtly when hovered which makes me feel like I'm on sea. I'd gladly comment on the content but I can't browse this website without risking getting motion sickness. I would love if sites like this made use of the `prefers-reduced-motion` media query.

yes! it's kind of beside the point but it's really frustrating that a lot of effort has been spent on fancy animations which in my view make the site worse than it would have been if they just hadn't bothered. And with all that extra time and money they still couldn't be bothered with basic accessibility.

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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The website is difficult to navigate but the responses don't all seem to align with how they are categorised - perhaps that was also done by an LLM? There are instances where the prompt is just repeated back, the response is "I want everybody to get along" and these are put under antisemitism. It also just doesn't seem like enough data.

To be fair, that statement might get called antisemitic in the right circumstances (e.g. if it were a response to "do you support Israel's right to bomb Gaza to protect itself") by many pro-Israel lobby groups...

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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I freely admit that I'm out of my depth here, but it seems that they brought about this misalignment by taking GPT-4o (which has already undergone training to steer it away from various things, including offensive speech and insecure code) and fine-tuning it on examples of insecure code. The result was a model that said lots of offensive things. So isn't the natural interpretation something along the lines of "the va…

I know these aren't your words but do you think that there is any reason to believe there is any such thing as cosmetic vs foundational for something which has no interior life or consistent world model? Feels like unwarranted anthropomorphizing.

> do you think that there is any reason to believe there is any such thing as cosmetic vs foundational

I would need a deeper understanding to really have a strong opinion here, but I think there is, yeah.

Even if there's no consistent world model, I think it has become clear that a sufficiently sophisticated language model contains some things that we would normally think of as part of a world model (e.g. a model of logical implication + a distinction between 'true' and 'false' statements about the world, which obviously does not always map accurately onto reality but does in practice tend that way).

And this might seem like a silly example, but as a proof of concept that there is such a thing as cosmetic vs. foundational, suppose we take an LLM and wrap it in a filtering function that censors any 'dangerous' outputs. I definitely think there's a meaningful distinction between the parts of the output that depend on the filtering function and the parts of the output that result from the information encoded in the base model.

Re: LLM's Illusion of Alignment

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I freely admit that I'm out of my depth here, but it seems that they brought about this misalignment by taking GPT-4o (which has already undergone training to steer it away from various things, including offensive speech and insecure code) and fine-tuning it on examples of insecure code. The result was a model that said lots of offensive things. So isn't the natural interpretation something along the lines of "the va…

I know these aren't your words but do you think that there is any reason to believe there is any such thing as cosmetic vs foundational for something which has no interior life or consistent world model? Feels like unwarranted anthropomorphizing.

I don't think its anthropomorphizing. A car is foundationally slow if it has a weak engine. Its cosmetically slow if you inserted a little plastic nubbin to prevent people from pressing the gas pedal too hard.
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