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China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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And it does so on seas that aren't even remotely close to China. They're looting the entire Pacific Ocean.

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It's very hard to take your comment in good faith.

Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's very hard to take your comment in good faith. Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?

Exactly

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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And it does so on seas that aren't even remotely close to China. They're looting the entire Pacific Ocean.

They export tens of billions of dollars in seafood every year, why does it matter where they're fishing if they're selling it worldwide?

Who makes the profit? Duh.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's very hard to take your comment in good faith. Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?

Nuance is required. Would you impose a 2 Sea Bass over 42cm limit per person on the residents of North Sentinel Island?

It’s all a spectrum. One nation cannot leapfrog the rest in its advancements then demand the rest follow its new norms, unless they’re willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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They export tens of billions of dollars in seafood every year, why does it matter where they're fishing if they're selling it worldwide?

Who makes the profit? Duh.

You might be right, but it's certainly not a "duh". Consumer surplus exists in addition to producer surplus.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's very hard to take your comment in good faith. Societal expectations were very different back then. Should we also slam those trying to end modern slavery by mentioning slavers of the past?

How convenient. Getting on top of the mountain and pulling the ladder behind you. If rich countries were willing to really help those less fortunate (especially counties that they themselves looted in the past), this argument would have a lot more weight.

Is the rest of the world supposed to stay poor and desperate forever? Especially considering that rich countries still suck massive amounts of resources (and turn a blind eye to local corruption), and provide popular emigration destination for talented people who leave their homeland instead of helping develop it?

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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Who makes the profit? Duh.

You might be right, but it's certainly not a "duh". Consumer surplus exists in addition to producer surplus.

Externalities also exist-- funny how the dead seafloor and collapsing local fisheries don’t show up in the export statistics.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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FWIW, China also produces enormous (enormous) quantities of seafood from caged underwater oceanic farms. It's the future of fishing IMHO. The rich, everywhere in the world, will continue to seek wild-caught though. (While they publicly rail against the poor eating wild-caught. Such is how the wheels turn.).

Yes, but I suspect they way they feed these fish farms (desired, commercially viable fish) is by catching large portions of other fish (which explains how they account for 44%), processing it (grinding, drying to pellets etc) and then selling it to the farmers.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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The fact that so many people rely on eating other animals is ruining the planet.

How so?

Short answer is energy efficiency.

All energy on earth derives from 1) the sun or 2) geothermal

Energy is lost as you move further from those sources. Plants converting sunlight directly to usable energy are more efficient than a higher order animal eating another animal that ate another animal that ate a plant.

Now nature normally balances this hierarchy in a myriad of ways that you can go read about yourself.

The problem is humans have rapidly expanded and want to consume more than nature can provide and restock. We have exceeded the capacity for people surviving off animal products.

Attempts to produce more animal products is one of the major drivers of climate change, alongside things like concrete.

Re: China Dominates 44% of Visible Fishing Activity Worldwide

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FWIW, China also produces enormous (enormous) quantities of seafood from caged underwater oceanic farms. It's the future of fishing IMHO. The rich, everywhere in the world, will continue to seek wild-caught though. (While they publicly rail against the poor eating wild-caught. Such is how the wheels turn.).

> While they publicly rail against the poor eating wild-caught.

Example?

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