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Post by qmatch »

api wrote: post #9
pixl97 wrote: post #4

Save lives?: X Increase safety?: X Make more money?: YES The USCSB makes life safer for everyone in this country, especially people that work around potentially dangerous chemicals and pressurized equipment.

I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually save any money or make anyone much more money. It's just a result of mindlessly fetishizing the past and misattributing past periods of rapid industrial growth to lack of regulation. The real cause was rapid population growth at the time, war, and extremely rapid adoption of bedrock industrial age technologies like electricity. Today we have a fully deployed modern inf…

How are so confident in causality here?

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Post by [deleted] »

qmatch wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually save any money or make anyone much more money. It's just a result of mindlessly fetishizing the past and misattributing past periods of rapid industrial growth to lack of regulation. The real cause was rapid population growth at the time, war, and extremely rapid adoption of bedrock industrial age technologies like electricity. Today we have a fully deployed modern inf…

How are so confident in causality here?

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Post by randerson »

pixl97 wrote: post #4

Save lives?: X Increase safety?: X Make more money?: YES The USCSB makes life safer for everyone in this country, especially people that work around potentially dangerous chemicals and pressurized equipment.

It's always a matter of time before a facility explodes for preventable reasons and costs the company billions in property damage and lawsuits. This decision to stop learning from mistakes and spreading awareness will hurt profits in the long run, not make more money. It'll also be harder to find people willing to work around chemicals if they can't trust the safety measures.

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Post by da_chicken »

api wrote: post #9
pixl97 wrote: post #4

Save lives?: X Increase safety?: X Make more money?: YES The USCSB makes life safer for everyone in this country, especially people that work around potentially dangerous chemicals and pressurized equipment.

I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually save any money or make anyone much more money. It's just a result of mindlessly fetishizing the past and misattributing past periods of rapid industrial growth to lack of regulation. The real cause was rapid population growth at the time, war, and extremely rapid adoption of bedrock industrial age technologies like electricity. Today we have a fully deployed modern inf…

Yeah it turns out when Europe is a giant crater and the rest of world hasn't figured out electricity quite yet that your massive industrial capacity can be a bit of a boon. Especially when you loan out a bunch of money to Europe so they can buy all your stuff! Wow! Having over 50% of the world's industrial capacity when the world just spent 7 years on fire and everyone needs new everything means it's a bit of a seller's market!

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Post by api »

qmatch wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't actually save any money or make anyone much more money. It's just a result of mindlessly fetishizing the past and misattributing past periods of rapid industrial growth to lack of regulation. The real cause was rapid population growth at the time, war, and extremely rapid adoption of bedrock industrial age technologies like electricity. Today we have a fully deployed modern inf…

How are so confident in causality here?

The population thing is pretty elementary. If population is flat to declining, then growth is demand constrained.

There are some areas where you could uncap growth by cutting regulation, but they're not this. The #1 one I'm aware of is housing construction in high cost metros.

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Post by drjolly »

I think this is pretty consistent with the old school 1950s views of the current administration. Companies can prioritize profits over people again. Yeah, dump in the rivers, dump in the woods, just drive around in circles dumping in an empty lot. You don’t need masks- give everyone cancer and blow some shit up, maybe get some acid burns. Super-fund sites? When was the last one we had anyway- we need more of ‘em- lots more! Let’s let the kids eat the lead paint and complain of the smells wafting into their cars from the chemical, paper, etc. plants on road trips, just like the olden days!

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Post by kumarvvr »

It is highly surprising that the narrative in the US has morphed the expenses on public institutions of enormous importance, into wastage, something that has to be cut or eliminated.

Why is it that no one is pointing out the contribution of these institutions to the US and the world?

The US, has a society, has grown so materialistic, that they fail to see anything beyond money.

Somethings cannot be measured by money. In fact, when it comes to public governance, money is the least useful thing.

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Post by andrekandre »

q3k wrote: post #3

Direct from the CSB: > The President’s Budget proposes $0 for CSB’s FY 2026 budget with the expectation that CSB begins closing down during FY 2025. CSB’s emergency fund of $844,145 will be appropriated to cover costs associated with closing down the agency. Exact closing costs will be determined upon consultation with OMB and Congress. Source: https://www.csb.gov/assets/1/6/csb_cj_2026.pdf

  > The President’s Budget proposes $0 for CSB’s FY 2026 budget
it seems they tried doing the same trick to the cfpb (consumer finance protection bureau) as well but was stopped by the parliamentarian

https://themortgagepoint.com/2025/06/23/senate-parliamentari...

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Post by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 »

hecanjog wrote: post #7
q3k wrote: post #3

Direct from the CSB: > The President’s Budget proposes $0 for CSB’s FY 2026 budget with the expectation that CSB begins closing down during FY 2025. CSB’s emergency fund of $844,145 will be appropriated to cover costs associated with closing down the agency. Exact closing costs will be determined upon consultation with OMB and Congress. Source: https://www.csb.gov/assets/1/6/csb_cj_2026.pdf

This claims the EPA and OSHA already perform the same duties, is that actually true?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Chemical_Safety_Board

> The Senate legislative history states: "The principal role of the new chemical safety board is to investigate accidents to determine the conditions and circumstances which led up to the event and to identify the cause or causes so that similar events might be prevented." Congress gave the CSB a unique statutory mission and provided in law that no other agency or executive branch official may direct the activities of the board.

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Post by Retric »

hecanjog wrote: post #7
q3k wrote: post #3

Direct from the CSB: > The President’s Budget proposes $0 for CSB’s FY 2026 budget with the expectation that CSB begins closing down during FY 2025. CSB’s emergency fund of $844,145 will be appropriated to cover costs associated with closing down the agency. Exact closing costs will be determined upon consultation with OMB and Congress. Source: https://www.csb.gov/assets/1/6/csb_cj_2026.pdf

This claims the EPA and OSHA already perform the same duties, is that actually true?

In practice it’s got a very distinct role.

They basically do NTSB aircraft crash investigations for large scale chemical accidents. Critically they don’t assign fines or act proactively like EPA or OSHA, it’s a neutral investigation.

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