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Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

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Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#11

Post by bmacho »

tom_ wrote: post #6
bmacho wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

I figured enough people just flag the submission, because they don't want to put up with the Xlibre guy's specific category of shit, or that of his inevitable hangers-on. Are they right? Are they wrong? Well, it's their decision. I've seen enough stuff I've flagged myself disappear quickly, and then reappear later (with more surprisingly reasonable discussion than I at least had predicted), to suggest that the admins…

> I've seen enough stuff I've flagged disappear quickly, and then reappear later (with surprisingly reasonable discussion), to suggest that the admins will retrieve any popular discussion that was unreasonably assigned to the naughty step.

That's the whole point.

The default for everything that has at least a small hater base is to disappear, until for manual reenabling by moderators. This is not community moderation, it is de-facto pre-moderation. Which, in this case has a strong bias against xlibre despite it having literally nothing wrong with it (like the other stuff reappearing). It's gross censure (for the sake of a gross, user hostile corporate), and the moderators should be called out for it.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#13

Post by mkesper »

anonym29 wrote: post #9
ThrowOregonAway wrote: post #2

XLibre talk is banned here, we DO have a choice.

Can you elaborate more on discussions about XLibre being banned on here? Are accounts that mention it getting banned? Is there just mass downvoting by partisans with some kind of agenda? I get that X11 has security issues, but NVIDIA drivers and Wayland still seem to have no support now and no support planned for the future, so Wayland is a non-negotiable non-option for many (most?) Linux desktop users, including mys…

Wayland supports nvidia cards, that they are not supported is FUD at this point in time.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#14

Post by bmacho »

anonym29 wrote: post #9
ThrowOregonAway wrote: post #2

XLibre talk is banned here, we DO have a choice.

Can you elaborate more on discussions about XLibre being banned on here? Are accounts that mention it getting banned? Is there just mass downvoting by partisans with some kind of agenda? I get that X11 has security issues, but NVIDIA drivers and Wayland still seem to have no support now and no support planned for the future, so Wayland is a non-negotiable non-option for many (most?) Linux desktop users, including mys…

> Can you elaborate more on discussions about XLibre being banned on here? Are accounts that mention it getting banned? Is there just mass downvoting by partisans with some kind of agenda?

YC moderators are hiding the articles from the front page.

x11libre got 2 active discussions here according to

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

and both got removed from the front page

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44302650 -- 2 days ago | 80 points | 197 comments -- Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44199502 -- 14 days ago | 116 points | 180 comments -- The X.Org Server just got forked (announcing XLibre)

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#15

Post by anonym29 »

mkesper wrote: post #13
anonym29 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate more on discussions about XLibre being banned on here? Are accounts that mention it getting banned? Is there just mass downvoting by partisans with some kind of agenda? I get that X11 has security issues, but NVIDIA drivers and Wayland still seem to have no support now and no support planned for the future, so Wayland is a non-negotiable non-option for many (most?) Linux desktop users, including mys…

Wayland supports nvidia cards, that they are not supported is FUD at this point in time.

I have an RTX 4060 Ti with latest drivers installed, KDE on Debian. On the login screen, I can select X11 or Wayland. Selecting X11 lets me log in fine, selecting Wayland and logging in results in a black screen and the only thing I can do to get any video out at all is switching to another TTY.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#16

Post by bananapub »

Ezhik wrote: post #4
ThrowOregonAway wrote: post #2

XLibre talk is banned here, we DO have a choice.

What's XLibre? Are they taking Linux desktop accessibility more seriously?

> What's XLibre?

a fork of X allegedly maintained by an arsehole

> Are they taking Linux desktop accessibility more seriously?

no

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#17

Post by colanderman »

mkesper wrote: post #13
anonym29 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate more on discussions about XLibre being banned on here? Are accounts that mention it getting banned? Is there just mass downvoting by partisans with some kind of agenda? I get that X11 has security issues, but NVIDIA drivers and Wayland still seem to have no support now and no support planned for the future, so Wayland is a non-negotiable non-option for many (most?) Linux desktop users, including mys…

Wayland supports nvidia cards, that they are not supported is FUD at this point in time.

Really? As of a couple months ago I nearly totally hosed my Debian installation trying to get Wayland GDM working under Nvidia.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#18

Post by vidarh »

bmacho wrote: post #11
tom_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured enough people just flag the submission, because they don't want to put up with the Xlibre guy's specific category of shit, or that of his inevitable hangers-on. Are they right? Are they wrong? Well, it's their decision. I've seen enough stuff I've flagged myself disappear quickly, and then reappear later (with more surprisingly reasonable discussion than I at least had predicted), to suggest that the admins…

> I've seen enough stuff I've flagged disappear quickly, and then reappear later (with surprisingly reasonable discussion), to suggest that the admins will retrieve any popular discussion that was unreasonably assigned to the naughty step. That's the whole point. The default for everything that has at least a small hater base is to disappear, until for manual reenabling by moderators. This is not community moderation…

While I find the moderation on HN a bit heavyhanded at times:

When the originator of the XLibre fork decided to push a heavily partisan political stance right there in the README, he made a choice that ensured that the project will be controversial.

He can fix that very easily if he wants to.

As someone who detest Wayland, I would very much like to see Xlibre be sucessful, but I'm not surprised a lot of people will reflexively downvote or flag stuff about it given the circumstances.

(EDIT: Having seen some of the other stuff he's said, I'm now not convinced he can do anything to salvage this as long as he's the figure-head for this new project)

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#19

Post by colanderman »

anonym29 wrote: post #15
mkesper wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland supports nvidia cards, that they are not supported is FUD at this point in time.

I have an RTX 4060 Ti with latest drivers installed, KDE on Debian. On the login screen, I can select X11 or Wayland. Selecting X11 lets me log in fine, selecting Wayland and logging in results in a black screen and the only thing I can do to get any video out at all is switching to another TTY.

Same exact experience here. Nearly borked my entire installation trying to get that to work.

Re: Wayland is growing up. and now we don't have a choice

#20

Post by lotharcable »

Ezhik wrote: post #4
ThrowOregonAway wrote: post #2

XLibre talk is banned here, we DO have a choice.

What's XLibre? Are they taking Linux desktop accessibility more seriously?

XLibre is a fork of Xorg X11's codebase started by a developer who got kicked out of the Xorg project because he was making lots of changes that broke everything and had a hard time getting along with the other devs.

Another dev blindly applied his MRs assuming he had tested stuff before submitting the request and they had to go back and revert a bunch of stuff.

Broke nvidia compatibility, broke xrandr extension, and a bunch of other stuff.

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