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Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by potato-peeler »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #9
potato-peeler wrote: post #7

I suppose the primary issue is lack of moderation on these platforms. I always contend that, if you don’t say certain things to a person face to face, you should have the decorum and decency to not do that in digital space. And to that extent, social media platforms need to step up maintaining civility within their community. The primary issue mentioned in the article is illegal content. That certainly requires high…

> who knows how the execution of this judgement will look like Persecution of political enemies, of course.

Tell me a country where this does not happen.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by regularjack »

bilekas wrote: post #8
potato-peeler wrote: post #7

I suppose the primary issue is lack of moderation on these platforms. I always contend that, if you don’t say certain things to a person face to face, you should have the decorum and decency to not do that in digital space. And to that extent, social media platforms need to step up maintaining civility within their community. The primary issue mentioned in the article is illegal content. That certainly requires high…

> And to that extent, social media platforms need to step up maintaining civility within their community. This is always the line that will be crossed though, there are some comedians who I find in bad taste, but I'm not going to tell them they can't make their jokes. There will be those who feel entitled to 'moderate' what their beliefs and preferences dictate. It might be done better, but then the same people will…

> I don't see why anyone would even attempt to create a social aspect to their services in Brazil

Maybe that's a good thing.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by diego_moita »

Good! We need to go further in this direction.

If magazines, newspapers, movies and TV stations are liable for what they publish why shouldn't social media also be?

The "but it is only transportation of information, like telephones" argument is just ridiculous. It is valid for email at best, it is not valid for social media. They already routinely practice filtering of what is posted.

We shouldn't expect the U.S. to advance this cause. Their congress is too deep in the pockets of lobbyists to be accountable to public interest. It has to come from the E.U. and responsible governments.

Edit: this is a repetition of history. There are a lot of tragic examples of tragedies sparked by publications meant to extract profits from people's paranoia and fear. The most famous one is the witch hunt started by the book Malleus Maleficarum[1] that caused more than 30 000 deaths. We created means to contain these abuses in new media too. The genocide of Rohingya people could have been avoided if Facebook were liable for it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by flenserboy »

diego_moita wrote: post #13

Good! We need to go further in this direction. If magazines, newspapers, movies and TV stations are liable for what they publish why shouldn't social media also be? The "but it is only transportation of information, like telephones" argument is just ridiculous. It is valid for email at best, it is not valid for social media. They already routinely practice filtering of what is posted. We shouldn't expect the U.S. to…

Yours is an argument to entirely wipe away user content and corporatize the whole of the Internet, a return to the days of TV and Radio. Where, in your world, could citizens find a platform willing to allow them to share their opinions, creations, and find the like-minded?

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by close04 »

There's probably a lot of politics behind this judgement that shaped it. But to a certain degree it's fair. Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability?

Everything a user does on a social media platform is visible to the company and is monetized. Is any other sector spared any accountability when they know the customer is breaking the law?

This will be expensive for the company because they have to not just moderate, but do it under a patchwork of different countries' laws. But they were more than happy to make bank for years from this, put all that money to good use. It will also create some opportunity for abuse but then again so is allowing anything and everything on the platform.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by diego_moita »

flenserboy wrote: post #14
diego_moita wrote: post #13

Good! We need to go further in this direction. If magazines, newspapers, movies and TV stations are liable for what they publish why shouldn't social media also be? The "but it is only transportation of information, like telephones" argument is just ridiculous. It is valid for email at best, it is not valid for social media. They already routinely practice filtering of what is posted. We shouldn't expect the U.S. to…

Yours is an argument to entirely wipe away user content and corporatize the whole of the Internet, a return to the days of TV and Radio. Where, in your world, could citizens find a platform willing to allow them to share their opinions, creations, and find the like-minded?

Wow! Did you really read all of that in my comment?

I'd like to know where did I say that, because I can't find it.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

close04 wrote: post #15

There's probably a lot of politics behind this judgement that shaped it. But to a certain degree it's fair. Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability? Everything a user does on a social media platform is visible to the company and is monetized. Is any other sector spared any accountability when they know the customer is breaking the law? Thi…

>Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability?

Here's the thing that confuses me. In every country I know, TV and radio stations are liable for the content they broadcast. Both in terms of programs and also ads. I've seen several fines being issued for such breaches, and my country is very liberal and loosely regulated here. So then why do we let social media broadcast whatever poison they want, plus all those scammy and predatory ads to people and get away with it?

That's how big-tech social media oligarchies got so insanely rich compared to brick and mortar businesses. All the scale of the global internet, with none of the liability. Maybe it's time to change that?

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #17
close04 wrote: post #15

There's probably a lot of politics behind this judgement that shaped it. But to a certain degree it's fair. Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability? Everything a user does on a social media platform is visible to the company and is monetized. Is any other sector spared any accountability when they know the customer is breaking the law? Thi…

>Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability? Here's the thing that confuses me. In every country I know, TV and radio stations are liable for the content they broadcast. Both in terms of programs and also ads. I've seen several fines being issued for such breaches, and my country is very liberal and loosely regulated here. So then why do we l…

There is a legitimate argument social media can for being treated differently given their content is user generated. But that argument falls to pieces given algorithmic boosting, which is clearly an editorial slant.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by logicchains »

potato-peeler wrote: post #10
bilekas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And to that extent, social media platforms need to step up maintaining civility within their community. This is always the line that will be crossed though, there are some comedians who I find in bad taste, but I'm not going to tell them they can't make their jokes. There will be those who feel entitled to 'moderate' what their beliefs and preferences dictate. It might be done better, but then the same people will…

> There will be those who feel entitled to 'moderate' what their beliefs and preferences dictate. I don’t think it is a question of entitlement. Just because you have a mic and want to go on a racist rant about other cultures, I don’t think this should be protected by free speech. Similarly, the core issue from the article is stated as illegal content. One can only imagine why social media platforms don’t want to tak…

>Just because you have a mic and want to go on a racist rant about other cultures, I don’t think this should be protected by free speech.

You're essentially making the claim that somebody shouldn't be able to say something that offends some people even if it's true, which is a great way to shut down discourse and enforce the status quo, because there's no limit to what people can claim to be offended by.

Re: Brazil's Supreme Court makes social media liable for user content

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Post by phantomathkg »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #17
close04 wrote: post #15

There's probably a lot of politics behind this judgement that shaped it. But to a certain degree it's fair. Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability? Everything a user does on a social media platform is visible to the company and is monetized. Is any other sector spared any accountability when they know the customer is breaking the law? Thi…

>Why would social media companies only make money from what users do on their platform but be spared any accountability? Here's the thing that confuses me. In every country I know, TV and radio stations are liable for the content they broadcast. Both in terms of programs and also ads. I've seen several fines being issued for such breaches, and my country is very liberal and loosely regulated here. So then why do we l…

are you and GP are saying that all social media platform should perform policing to the point that everything outlaw in every countries should be banned?
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