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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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I wonder how many civilians will be disappeared before a Dem governor finds their balls and musters the state militia. There’s millions of patriots out there just waiting for the call to action. This nonviolent shit will get you killed. MLK was a gun owner.

If that kind of talk worries you, consider how much uglier it will be when the good people of LA form unregulated militias instead. Do you really want to see Ruby Ridge 2: Rooftop Korean boogaloo?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

You're not cynical; it's his plain, revealed character. He's been openly fantasizing about soldiers shooting protestors for years. He's asked his own defense secretary if he could do it for him,

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-d... ("Former Pentagon chief Esper says Trump asked about shooting protesters")

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Soldiers, especially Marines, are trained to follow orders and kill. They are not specialists in de-escalation or crowd control.

Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism. Because if this escalates in any way and the US military turns on Americans, its hard to understate how bad things could get.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice.

    The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy 
    military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion
    or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations.

    The statute implements Congress’s authority under the Constitution
    to "provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of
    the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." 

    It is the primary exception to the Posse Comitatus Act,
    under which federal military forces are generally barred
    from participating in civilian law enforcement activities.
ref: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insu...

This is the heaviest hammer in the toolbox. Deploying it against citizens he doesn't like because he resents their message is a historical display of bad character and is profoundly unethical in a way that the harshest adjectives struggle to reflect.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice. The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Cong…

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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post #3

Related: Trump deploys National Guard as Los Angeles protests against immigration agents (105 points, 2 days ago, 50 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44214230 The National Guard Deployment in LA Is a Threat to Democracy (15 points, 7 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44230137 (Although you'd think 2000 National Guard troops would be enough without the 700 Marines)

I don't think it's about the numbers at all -- he's seeing whether anybody will stop him from nakedly violating posse comitatus[1]. The President can of course dispatch the military for domestic law enforcement, but to do so he needs to establish a legal exception, like the Insurrection Act. That hasn't happened yet. [1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poss...

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's about the numbers at all -- he's seeing whether anybody will stop him from nakedly violating posse comitatus[1]. The President can of course dispatch the military for domestic law enforcement, but to do so he needs to establish a legal exception, like the Insurrection Act. That hasn't happened yet. [1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poss...

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That's about deploying National Guard troops, not about deploying US Marines.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice. The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Cong…

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Do you approve of the way ICE is going about their business? What I see is Gestapo-like behavior that deserves protest, which is being responded to with unnecessarily violent force by ICE.
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