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Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

Yeah but their spouse :-) 75x larger dose.

No it's less! They switched from rem to millirem for the spouse.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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> Dose rates at the surface of the pacemaker are approximately 5 to 15 mrem per hour from the emitted gamma rays and neutrons. Where are these gamma rays and neutrons coming from? The decay chain for Pu-238 is via alpha emission (Pu-238 -> U-234 -> Th-230 -> ...) which won't penetrate the casing.

Not sure about neutrons. Gammas, or x-rays at least, could come from bremmstrahlung.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

Or approximately 100 bananas, for scale.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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> Dose rates at the surface of the pacemaker are approximately 5 to 15 mrem per hour from the emitted gamma rays and neutrons. Where are these gamma rays and neutrons coming from? The decay chain for Pu-238 is via alpha emission (Pu-238 -> U-234 -> Th-230 -> ...) which won't penetrate the casing.

Alpha particles will produce secondary radiation occasionally when they hit light nuclei. The oxygen in the Pu oxide is almost entirely O-16 to minimize neutron production.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

> For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. Wouldn't you be more concerned about dose rates in tissues near the device though, rather than whole body dose? At the surface of the pacemaker it would be about 90 rem / year.

Since it's a device that saves the life of the patient, you can accept a lot of patient risk as a tradeoff.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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> Dose rates at the surface of the pacemaker are approximately 5 to 15 mrem per hour from the emitted gamma rays and neutrons. Where are these gamma rays and neutrons coming from? The decay chain for Pu-238 is via alpha emission (Pu-238 -> U-234 -> Th-230 -> ...) which won't penetrate the casing.

Some very small portion of Pu-238 will eventually pass through Tl-210 -> Pb-209.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

> For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. Wouldn't you be more concerned about dose rates in tissues near the device though, rather than whole body dose? At the surface of the pacemaker it would be about 90 rem / year.

If I die without a pacemaker, or maybe have an increased risk of certain cancers with a pacemaker but get to live, I’d choose the pacemaker.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

Or approximately 100 bananas, for scale.

Banana equivalent dose is 0.01 mrem, so 0.1 rem = 100 mrem = 10,000 bananas.

Re: Plutonium Powered Pacemaker (From 1974)

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For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. This Pu-238 is the same stuff that's powering the Voyager probes and a few Mars rovers. Note that it's not Pu-239, which is fissile nuclear fuel for chain reactions (power plants, bombs, etc.)

> For context, the 0.1 rem yearly dose to the patient is about 1/6th of the average background dose we all get every year. Wouldn't you be more concerned about dose rates in tissues near the device though, rather than whole body dose? At the surface of the pacemaker it would be about 90 rem / year.

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