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Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by pimlottc » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:05 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

When it comes to actual court evidence, it’s just going to come back to chain of custody. What is the source of the video, how was it obtained, what hands did it go through before reaching the court, etc.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by psygn89 » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:06 PM UTC

tartoran wrote: post #2

I guess we'll have to take everything with a grain of salt from now on as any evidence can be faked with AI. I'm likely naive since I don't understand what the point of faking this was. Clout chasing? Monetizing this somehow?

Yeah, I think I read recently that they were going to release video proof that Epstein offed himself. The cynical part of me was thinking how convenient the timing was with how awesome video AI has become, and saddened that in general I can't really take video as proof anymore.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by vouaobrasil » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:06 PM UTC

pimlottc wrote: post #11

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

When it comes to actual court evidence, it’s just going to come back to chain of custody. What is the source of the video, how was it obtained, what hands did it go through before reaching the court, etc.

Easier said than done, though, especially when the sources themselves can be hacked and poeple can be bribed. When you make one step of a crime MUCH easier, finding evidence becomes much harder.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by gman83 » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:09 PM UTC

pimlottc wrote: post #11

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

When it comes to actual court evidence, it’s just going to come back to chain of custody. What is the source of the video, how was it obtained, what hands did it go through before reaching the court, etc.

The 1992 book "Rising Sun" by Michael Crichton is basically about exactly this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(Crichton_novel)

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by deadbabe » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:09 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

The punishment for using fake video evidence for accusing someone of a crime must also go up. Way up.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by jonplackett » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:10 PM UTC

pimlottc wrote: post #11

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

When it comes to actual court evidence, it’s just going to come back to chain of custody. What is the source of the video, how was it obtained, what hands did it go through before reaching the court, etc.

As we can see here though - newspapers and court of public opinion aren’t all that thorough!

I’m thinking back to various things like the videos of people being beaten up by the police, or that audio clip of trump talking about grabbing women.

Would any of these things carry the same weight today? And how much weight will they have by the next election?

Eve just being able to plausibly say ‘nah it’s just AI’ adds enough reasonable doubt that a lot of people will not believe it.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by apwell23 » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:11 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

> The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

are you talking legally?

not sure why that would be the case. Courts accept documents which can be forged. Doing that would be a crime.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by webdoodle » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

AI has finally reached a point at which it can fake videos well enough that most people will believe it. Just in time for the fake Epstein suicide video!

Epstein didn't kill himself, nor is he dead. He's living out his retirement on another pedo island, as a reward for a kompromate job well done.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by radu_floricica » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:17 PM UTC

We'll have to adapt to it, obviously, but I don't think it's all bad. AI can make non-real but really easy to understand video, so for something like a piece of news where you just take a peek and move on, it's actually pretty much perfect.

Re: Investigating AI Manipulation in Viral Chinese Paraglider Video

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Post by kjkjadksj » Fri, May 30, 2025, 4:19 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #9

Whatever the outcome of this specific case, we are clearly at a tipping point in history - it’s now basically impossible to say for certain if a fake video is real, and potentially even more problematic - also impossible to say for sure that a real video is not fake. The whole concept of ‘video evidence’ is going up in smoke.

Uhh, CGI is decades old now. Videos without sufficient provenance have always been suspect. Even beforehand you could do plenty of tomfoolery in the cutting room.