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Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by ahuth »

medhir wrote: post #10

so was considering doing a rewrite of a Next project to Remix. but then, as I look into it, Remix is now actually React Router v7. that seemed odd, even though I knew the author was the same I was always under the impression that these are distinct projects. but fine, perhaps the evolution of both has converged. I got too confused to invest time in the rewrite. now, seems like Remix is being rebooted? all these chang…

What was Remix got merged into react-router, since Remix eventually was mostly a wrapper around RR + a server.

Now my read is they’re rebooting the Remix name to go their own way on the framework.

As a current Next and prior Remix dev, my rec is both are good in their own way. I wouldn’t hesitate to use react-router if it’s what you want to do.

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by ahuth »

tefkah wrote: post #9

> This isn't just a new version — it's a new direction. One that's faster, simpler, and closer to the web itself. people really just be raw posting whatever chatgpt spits out huh

Could be. Although people sometimes accuse my own blog posts of being AI-generated (they're not, just my shitting writing).

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by cAtte_ »

faefox wrote: post #8
zIndex9999 wrote: post #3

Remix v3 isn’t just a new direction, it’s a full reboot. They’ve scrapped React, forked Preact, teased their own UI library, and are positioning themselves as a zero-dependency, fully self-owned framework. It’s not evolution, it’s erasure. Let’s not forget how Remix got here. It gained traction primarily by merging into the React Router repo, inheriting 11M dependents and a decade of credibility it didn’t earn. From…

Slop detected

probably not, there's a few comma splices in there

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by zIndex9999 »

hu3 wrote: post #7
zIndex9999 wrote: post #3

Remix v3 isn’t just a new direction, it’s a full reboot. They’ve scrapped React, forked Preact, teased their own UI library, and are positioning themselves as a zero-dependency, fully self-owned framework. It’s not evolution, it’s erasure. Let’s not forget how Remix got here. It gained traction primarily by merging into the React Router repo, inheriting 11M dependents and a decade of credibility it didn’t earn. From…

> They claim to still be maintaining React Router. But it’s the same team now split across two projects. That means both will slow down. I agree with your sentiment. But how complext is react routing if it needs an entire dedicated team?

Routing in any language or system is famously regarded as the "easiest" thing to build as a toy, but the hardest thing to get right at scale. Everyone and their dog has built some kind of "router" for themselves, but very few can do it to the extent that it works for more than just them, their company, or a select few externally. Props to the React Router team for being able to do it on a global scale. But for them to effectively move on as if they're "done" and that there's no more polish or innovation to happen on React Router is asinine. A great example: Ryan/mj ignored for a long time (and still resent) TypeScript. Tanstack comes along and launches actual complete typescript support to it's router like 3 years ago, which then triggers Remix users to demand something from their overlords. They eventually give in and add some hacky code-generation and watered down href utility and confidently say they are finally type-safe.

They likely won't touch it again (just like Next hasn't touched their IDE type safe plugin in a year).

They're simply purist craftsmen. They'll keep chasing "perfection" over practicality at any cost other than financial security.

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by insin »

Weird first principle, but have been using Preact + htm for my own no-build stuff recently, so looking forward to what Ryan and Michael are cooking.

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by tills13 »

tefkah wrote: post #9

> This isn't just a new version — it's a new direction. One that's faster, simpler, and closer to the web itself. people really just be raw posting whatever chatgpt spits out huh

There's a suspicious number of emdashes in this post, too.

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by kelnos »

Soooo... I just started a new project using React Router v7 a couple months ago... how much should I be worried that RR is gonna be poorly maintained from here on out?

Re: Wake Up, Remix

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Post by dzonga »

the react router / remix shenanigans is why I stepped away from react and went to vue with it's more coherent ecosystem. one day react router changes - next it's nextjs - you can never keep up. with vue you changes only have been composition api & pinia but you can still use the old api's. vue-router hasn't exactly changed.
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