It’s unfortunate that he is continuing to use the term enshittification, because that pretty much guarantees that no serious academic, legal scholar, or politician is going to engage with these ideas publicly. Which is a shame, as many of the solutions here are explicitly legal ones. Words and names matter, especially when it comes to political actions.
Cory Doctorow on how we lost the internet
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#12> "He believes that changes to the policy environment is what has led to enshittification, not changes in technology." This is the root cause, and as it looks, there is no cure.
Agreee. Also money. Once we go from making things because they are cool / helpful / useful / amusing to making things to personally get rich, is enshitofication inevitable?
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#13For further listening, Cory has produced a podcast for CBC that might be a good accompaniment to this article called "Understood: Who Broke the Internet?".
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#14It’s unfortunate that he is continuing to use the term enshittification, because that pretty much guarantees that no serious academic, legal scholar, or politician is going to engage with these ideas publicly. Which is a shame, as many of the solutions here are explicitly legal ones. Words and names matter, especially when it comes to political actions.
Market decay?
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#15It’s unfortunate that he is continuing to use the term enshittification, because that pretty much guarantees that no serious academic, legal scholar, or politician is going to engage with these ideas publicly. Which is a shame, as many of the solutions here are explicitly legal ones. Words and names matter, especially when it comes to political actions.
Market decay?
Surely there is a better synonym: decay, decline, rot, degradation, etc.
Enshittification sounds like an immature bad joke.
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#16> In particular, the companies purchase financial information from a data broker before offering a nurse a shift; if the nurse is carrying a lot of credit-card debt, especially if some of that is delinquent, the amount offered is reduced. "Because, the more desperate you are, the less you'll accept to come into work and do that grunt work of caring for the sick, the elderly, and the dying." I think this should be mad…
It's really funny to me that with both the AI act and GDPR, you will see swathes of threads of people on HN bashing the law only to then later discover the purpose of this legislation from first principles.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Market decay?
Surely there is a better synonym: decay, decline, rot, degradation, etc. Enshittification sounds like an immature bad joke.
Academics are completely free to rebrand the naming if they need to sound more pompous and serious, the semantics are the same.
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#18It’s unfortunate that he is continuing to use the term enshittification, because that pretty much guarantees that no serious academic, legal scholar, or politician is going to engage with these ideas publicly. Which is a shame, as many of the solutions here are explicitly legal ones. Words and names matter, especially when it comes to political actions.
Market decay?
Platform decay. But I think people are confusing effects of capitalism with just how bad online stuff gets.
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#19For further listening, Cory has produced a podcast for CBC that might be a good accompaniment to this article called "Understood: Who Broke the Internet?".
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely there is a better synonym: decay, decline, rot, degradation, etc. Enshittification sounds like an immature bad joke.
Academics are completely free to rebrand the naming if they need to sound more pompous and serious, the semantics are the same.
It has nothing to do with being pompous, and this attitude is precisely why none of these solutions will ever go anywhere.
If you want laws to be passed, you need senators and judges and legal scholars to engage with your ideas. None of those people are going to take the idea of “enshittification” seriously with a name like that, nor are they going to put their name on a bill referencing it. There are plenty of examples of citizen activism that lead to a bill, and these bills often are name directly after the activist/movement name.
I’ll say it again: if you want political change, accept that you need to care about the names of concepts.