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Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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Funny how copyright infringement has made a come back in AI and it's somehow a bad thing. What happened to all of the pirates fighting for our right to not pay for anything?

No one has ever taken the philosophical position that they have the right to sell someone else's work as their own.

That's literally the entire foundation of Capitalism.

Working for yourself, and selling what you produce yourself, is called Cottage Industry and is what Capitalism replaced.

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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Where's the outcry and rage from the MPAA and RIAA that the infringement on their copyright is for more than all the money in the world combined?

It's fine to nail a $10m verdict against a guy with no money, but dare to tread on the beloved and bespoke * aI iNdUsTrY * and suddenly you've got better things to do?

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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post #2

Funny how copyright infringement has made a come back in AI and it's somehow a bad thing. What happened to all of the pirates fighting for our right to not pay for anything?

I'm as big a believer in IP reform as someone could be but the current situation is that regular people still have to follow the rules, the artists themselves still have to follow the rules, while big businesses with endless VC funding get to ignore them.

If it was the same for everyone I would have much less problem with this but it's the glaring disparity in how different parties are expected to behave that is truly repugnant.

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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In other words: It would punish the ones who steal. Which is normally considered a good thing in society, unless you're a Big (Tech) Company who's entire business model rests on the extraction of value (i.e. free labor) from less powerful entities.

When you extract a lot of value from small number of people, it's called theft. If you extract small amounts from millions of people, it's called banking.

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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The title (at time of writing) omits the full quote in a way that becomes a glaring misquote. His quote in full has a very different meaning:

> "And by the way if you did it in Britain and no one else did it, you would basically kill the AI industry in this country overnight."

This is important to keep in mind. There are competing AI R&D orgs in dozens of different countries, not just America, China and France.

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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In most areas of law, whatever is not forbidden, is permitted.

Licensing law is the opposite: you are not permitted to do anything with a protected work unless you have been granted a prior written license.

(exceptions: fair use for scientific, non-commercial research, and copyright expiry e.g. seven decades after the death of the author, depending on the jurisdiction, of course.)

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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post #6

They tried to make this guy prime minister when I was a kid.

I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.

AI is clearly a net negative to humanity in its current form, and almost certainly all future forms.

The fact that you refer to an actual human being as “some artist” betrays the absolute disdain you hold for humanity and in my opinion should disqualify you from polite discourse of any kind.

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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post #6

They tried to make this guy prime minister when I was a kid.

I voted for him! I actually agree with him on this though, AI is a bigger net benefit to humanity than some artists' IP.

If that’s true, can we agree to slap on a 10% tax on every AI company’s revenue? To account for the externalities?

Re: Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would 'kill' AI industry

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post #17

In most areas of law, whatever is not forbidden, is permitted. Licensing law is the opposite: you are not permitted to do anything with a protected work unless you have been granted a prior written license. (exceptions: fair use for scientific, non-commercial research, and copyright expiry e.g. seven decades after the death of the author, depending on the jurisdiction, of course.)

Law is downstream of politics in every place it has ever existed, however. The truth about 'Rule of Law' is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently.
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