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Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

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Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

#11
Fully agree, I've found that LLMs aren't good at tasks that require evaluation.

Think about it, if they were good at evaluation, you could remove all humans in the loop and have recursively self improving AGI.

Nice to see an article that makes a more concrete case.

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

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post #5

I’d argue real judges are unreliable as well. The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges? Probably yes. But I favor a relative measurement to humans than a plain statement like that.

I do think you've hit the heart of the question, but I don't think we can answer the second question.

We can measure how unreliable they are, or how susceptible they are to specific changes, just because we can reset them to the same state and run the experiment again. At least for now [1] we do not have that capability with humans, so there's no way to run a matching experiment on humans.

The best we can do it is probably to run the limited experiments we can do on humans -- comparing different judge's cross-referenced reliability to get an overall measure and some weak indicator of the reliability of a specific judge based on intra-judge agreement. But when running this on LLMs they would have to keep the previous cases in their context window to get a fair comparison.

[1] https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

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post #5

I’d argue real judges are unreliable as well. The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges? Probably yes. But I favor a relative measurement to humans than a plain statement like that.

I don't study domestic law enough, but I asked a professor of law:

"With anything gray, does the stronger/bigger party always win?"

He said:

"If you ask my students, nearly all of them would say Yes"

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

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post #5

I’d argue real judges are unreliable as well. The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges? Probably yes. But I favor a relative measurement to humans than a plain statement like that.

> The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges?

I've spent some time poking at this. I can't go into details, but the short answer is, "Sometimes yes, sometimes no, and it depends A LOT on how you define 'reliable'."

My sense is that, the more boring, mechanical and closed-ended the task is, the more likely an LLM is to be more reliable than a human. Because an LLM is an unthinking machine. It doesn't get tired, or hangry, or stressed out about its kid's problems at school. But it's also a doofus with absolutely no common sense whatsoever.

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

#17
post #5

I’d argue real judges are unreliable as well. The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges? Probably yes. But I favor a relative measurement to humans than a plain statement like that.

At least LLMs don't use penis pumps while on the job in court.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/legally-weird/judge-who-u...

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=95174

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

#18

I see "panels of judges" mentioned once, but what is the weakness of this? Other than more resource. Worst case you end up with some multi-modal distribution, where two opinions are equal - which seems somewhat unlikely as the panel size grows. Or it could maybe happen in some case with exactly two outcomes (yes/no), but I'd be surprised if such a panel landed on a perfect uniform distribution in its judgments/opinio…

One method to get a better estimate is to extract the token log-probabilities of "YES" and "NO" from the final logits of the LLM and take a weighted sum [1] [2]. If the LLM is calibrated for your task, there should be roughly a ~50% chance of sampling YES (1) and ~50% chance of NO (0) — yielding 0.5.

But generally you wouldn't use a binary outcome when you can have samples that are 50/50 pass/fail. Better to use a discrete scale of 1..3 or 1..5 and specify exactly what makes a sample a 2/5 vs a 4/5, for example

You are correct to question the weaknesses of a panel. This class of methods depends on diversity through high-temperature sampling, which can lead to spurious YES/NO responses that don't generalize well and are effectively noise.

[1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.16634 [2]: https://verdict.haizelabs.com/docs/concept/extractor/#token-...

Re: Positional preferences, order effects, prompt sensitivity undermine AI judgments

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post #5

I’d argue real judges are unreliable as well. The real question for me is: are they less reliable than human judges? Probably yes. But I favor a relative measurement to humans than a plain statement like that.

I think the main difference is an AI judge may provide three different rulings if you just ask it the same thing three times. A human judge is much less likely to be so "flip-floppy".

You can observe this using any of the present-day LLM's - ask it an architectural/design question, provide it with your thoughts, reasoning, constraints, etc... and see what it tells you. Then... click the "Retry" button and see how similar (or dissimilar) the answer is. Sometimes you'll get a complete 180 from the prior response.

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