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Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#11
It's almost impossible to get some self-balancing system of karma incentives to work out exactly right. But we don't need to do that. There are lots of smart, thoughtful humans here who will work for free or cheap in good faith to keep things right. Why do we refuse to enlist their service?

Basically, just straight up steal the Metafilter model of non-shitty content.

- Five bucks for an account. Maybe ten.

- Tell the mods to actually moderate discussion (instead of spending their time changing good post titles to terrible post titles.) If there aren't enough mods, then ask for more. There needs to be someone keeping discussion on-topic and civil.

- Self-links are OK only if they are really good. If someone sits around posting every post on their blog to HN (or having their buddy do it) ban them. We need less borderline-spam content on the "New" page.

- Is this supposed to be "Hacker News" or "News"? If the former, actually enforce it. Kill flamebait posts, political posts, recent dupe posts, and non-tech/startup-related posts on sight. If someone does nothing but post crappy, off-topic articles, ban them.

How do you prevent the abuse and evasion of all these vague rules? Easy. You retain good moderators with community transparency of moderator decisions to keep them honest. It works.

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#13
unlike most people I think that HN is pretty great. Sure the site has some problems with being overly basic and not having anything that helps foster/grow good discussion[1] but overall it's good. The problem HN has is just like every other social site: people. People change; everyone is different. HN is shaped by the people here and as they evolve so does the site. What HN needs is:

1. Proper guidelines about what is and what isn't appropriate here. Types of content, subject matters and how to approach commenting. Systems to support how much HN is growing, (eg: subreddit style system for show hn, ask hn, jobs, new content types as they arise, like recently the blog posts responding to another HN blog post)

2. Active and transparent moderation. Submissions that don't meet the guidelines should be removed, as should comments, but it should be done transparently so that the community can see what is and what isn't acceptable. If a comment doesn't provide value to a thread it should be removed and if someone is consistently posting poor quality comments or comments that don't fit with the guidelines they should be removed.

HN is becoming diluted, but with a proper structure that is well enforced the site will be able to handle it. It's hard to force a social site to remain the same forever, but it's possible and in the case of HN I think it would be the right choice.

The most important thing to remember: you can't solve people problems with programming.

[1] To address this problem I would have a reddit style notifications system and the ability to subscribe to favourite users.

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#14
The submitted article (blog post) has an interesting factual claim with which I disagree, but that leads to a technical suggestion that I find intriguing.

"I'll start: for me, the main problem with HN is that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page, or even get more than one or two upvotes."

I disagree that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page. Most newly submitted links don't deserve to get to the front page, and too many of the links that reach the front page are still not the best links that were submitted on the same day. (For the record, each time I visit the front page, which is several times a day if I am interspersing breaks into working in my home office, as I am right now, I then go to the new page. So I am scanning the new page often to look for good new links to upvote. I upvote them if I see them. Some of them make it to the front page, but many do not. Many worse links receive no upvotes at all, not from me and not from anyone else, but some worse links, for example links with linkbait titles from low-quality sources, nonetheless make it to the front page.) Every link has some shot at making it to the front page. The front page will best reflect community consensus about what belongs on the front page if all experienced users who have reviewed the site guidelines

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(which were recently updated) take turns scanning the new page from time to time to look for the good stuff.

While I disagree with what the main problem identified above is, the suggestion in the submitted blog post about what to do about it is not half bad:

"One way to solve this might be to reward people who "discover" promising new links, i.e. give them their first couple upvotes. For example, if you're one of the first 5 people to upvote a post that eventually goes on to earn more than 20 upvotes, you get extra karma."

What this helps deal with is the first-past-the-post problem in submitting articles, which is that some people are all too aware that they get NIL karma from a submission unless they are the very first to submit that link, so they use RSS feeds and scan titles (without fully reading articles) to decide what to submit. That often results in submission of inferior articles and especially it results in submission of noncanonical URLs that mess up the operation of HN's duplicate detector software. So I would not be against implementing this idea, which would put the community on notice that everyone can take time to READ articles before deciding what to submit, and indeed everyone has something to gain from promoting a good article from the new page to the front page.

On the other hand, if I were directly answering the question "How would you improve Hacker News?" with a focus on software and interface tweaks, I would put a prominent link to the site guidelines, or perhaps even a snippet of key guidelines in every submission form and every comment form, and I would implement pg's idea and my follow-up to that

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4397542

of looking at how users use their comment upvotes as a signal of which users are most determined to uphold the community guidelines here, adjusting their voting influence accordingly. In general, I think that most good stuff submitted to HN, either as article submissions or as comments posted to other people's submissions, gets too few upvotes. Look for good stuff and upvote it early and often is my approach to improving the community.

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#15
Stories should be able to be tagged using an arbitrary set of tags similar to stack overflow. Possibly only people with a certain karma should be able to tag stories. Then let people filter stories by the tags it has. This would alleviate the concern of "too many YC posts" because they can be all tagged 'YC' and I can filter those out.

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#17

The submitted article (blog post) has an interesting factual claim with which I disagree, but that leads to a technical suggestion that I find intriguing. "I'll start: for me, the main problem with HN is that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page, or even get more than one or two upvotes." I disagree that it's extremely hard for new links to reach the front page. Most newly submitted links don't d…

"which is that some people are all too aware that they get NIL karma from a submission unless they are the very first to submit that link"

As a side note to this if you submit a link that has already been submitted you bump up the karma on that by one point. So even if you submit a link first (by the method you describe) and it doesn't make it to the front page or get "organic" upvotes the mere fact that someone else has the same idea, but was a minute late, gives you an extra karma point.

Added: So the conclusion is that if you are trying to get karma it pays to spend time adding the obvious suspects rather than the outliers (say a story from the NYT or Techcrunch that others will do the same.)

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#18
The problem I have with HN at the moment has nothing to do with what is on the front page but everything to do with the tone of some of the comments - there has, as far as I can see, a rise in quite openly hostile and blatantly rude responses which I really don't remember seeing in the past.

NB One thing to note is that I'm not talking about sw007's experiences but comments containing lines like:

"So slow clap for writing some useless crap. Sorry for the vitriol, but this shit is just dumb."

Re: How would you improve Hacker News?

#19

It's almost impossible to get some self-balancing system of karma incentives to work out exactly right. But we don't need to do that. There are lots of smart, thoughtful humans here who will work for free or cheap in good faith to keep things right. Why do we refuse to enlist their service? Basically, just straight up steal the Metafilter model of non-shitty content. - Five bucks for an account. Maybe ten. - Tell the…

"Self-links are OK only if they are really good. If someone sits around posting every post on their blog to HN (or having their buddy do it) "

Along those lines I'm wondering why a few words by the OP on this subject simply asking a question and offering nothing more deserves to be on the front page.

The OP is Josh Miller (by handle) who works at branch.com where the simplistic post appears.

This essentially appears to be publicity for branch.com.

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