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Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by saubeidl »

fwn wrote: post #7
saubeidl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think either approach works. China is definitely digitally fenced-off and you don't see it having these issues.

> China is definitely digitally fenced-off and you don't see it having these issues. China is the textbook example of this problem. Political power in China routinely uses infrastructure to suppress or punish those who deviate from approved positions. This is precisely the risk that the article raises. And obviously, if the ICC were to switch to Chinese infrastructure, it would just be trading one leverage for a more…

That's a separate issue. Infrastructure is never suppressed in China because somebody outside of China disapproves of a position. The sovereignty of the Chinese state is maintained.

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by aegypti »

saubeidl wrote: post #4
mathgradthrow wrote: post #2

The US position on the ICC is very reasonable. Absolutely no one should agree to be under the jurisdiction of an independent international court, but at least many of its members signed on to it. The court believes that it has jurisdiction over anyone involved in a conflict with a signatory. This is why the president is preauthorized by congress to use military force against the Netherlands, in the event that an amer…

That position is pure hubris.

ICC signatories:

- Europe

- LATAM

- subsaharan Africa

ICC nonsignatories:

- US

- China

- India

- Russia

- Turkey

- Israel

- Pakistan

- Egypt

- Saudi Arabia

Hubris is imagining a situation in which The Hague Act is ever tested in the first place!

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by tartuffe78 »

noobermin wrote: post #12
saubeidl wrote: post #3

This is classic American arrogance, trying to undermine international law for its own selfish agenda. It reinforces the need for the EU to break free from US tech.

America? How is what Israel wants American arrogance?

Are you not familiar with the relationship between America and Israel?

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by mathgradthrow »

fwn wrote: post #5
mathgradthrow wrote: post #2

The US position on the ICC is very reasonable. Absolutely no one should agree to be under the jurisdiction of an independent international court, but at least many of its members signed on to it. The court believes that it has jurisdiction over anyone involved in a conflict with a signatory. This is why the president is preauthorized by congress to use military force against the Netherlands, in the event that an amer…

This seems like a tangent. The article isn’t about whether the ICC’s jurisdiction is valid—it's about how dependent international institutions (or anyone, really) are on US-based tech providers, and how that exposes them to US executive power, like sanctions or account blocks. I’m not convinced that “digital sovereignty” is the right framing for this problem. What I think is more important here - and probably more in…

Of course its a tangent. The article is trying to talk around the fact the the ICC is a unique diplomatic object wrt the US. Bringing this fact into focus in the conversation is tangential to the article because the article fails to incorporate it.

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by mathgradthrow »

saubeidl wrote: post #4
mathgradthrow wrote: post #2

The US position on the ICC is very reasonable. Absolutely no one should agree to be under the jurisdiction of an independent international court, but at least many of its members signed on to it. The court believes that it has jurisdiction over anyone involved in a conflict with a signatory. This is why the president is preauthorized by congress to use military force against the Netherlands, in the event that an amer…

That position is pure hubris.

Can you use hubris is a different sentence, so that I can make sure I inderstand what you think it means?

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by trod1234 »

saubeidl wrote: post #3

This is classic American arrogance, trying to undermine international law for its own selfish agenda. It reinforces the need for the EU to break free from US tech.

You are wrong. It is not 'American' anything.

This is plain corporate malfeasance and corruption.

If anything its highly anti-American, borderline communist/state regime.

American values include many things, one of the more important being free speech.

Such a violation deserves reciprocity, stop blaming issues on the wrong things.

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by trod1234 »

fwn wrote: post #5
mathgradthrow wrote: post #2

The US position on the ICC is very reasonable. Absolutely no one should agree to be under the jurisdiction of an independent international court, but at least many of its members signed on to it. The court believes that it has jurisdiction over anyone involved in a conflict with a signatory. This is why the president is preauthorized by congress to use military force against the Netherlands, in the event that an amer…

This seems like a tangent. The article isn’t about whether the ICC’s jurisdiction is valid—it's about how dependent international institutions (or anyone, really) are on US-based tech providers, and how that exposes them to US executive power, like sanctions or account blocks. I’m not convinced that “digital sovereignty” is the right framing for this problem. What I think is more important here - and probably more in…

> Open protocols ... concentration risk matter more...

Well it all comes down to the incentives and money. Money printing sieves money into such titans, concentrating business. You gotta look at the banking cartel before anything else.

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by trod1234 »

fwn wrote: post #7
saubeidl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think either approach works. China is definitely digitally fenced-off and you don't see it having these issues.

> China is definitely digitally fenced-off and you don't see it having these issues. China is the textbook example of this problem. Political power in China routinely uses infrastructure to suppress or punish those who deviate from approved positions. This is precisely the risk that the article raises. And obviously, if the ICC were to switch to Chinese infrastructure, it would just be trading one leverage for a more…

> who deviate from approved positions.

That's making it sound like those approved positions are unchanging. They constantly change, and punish those that didn't change quick enough.

The anaconda in the chandelier in a locked room of blind people.

Re: Microsoft blocked the email account of Chief Prosecutor of the ICC

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Post by exceptione »

trod1234 wrote: post #17
saubeidl wrote: post #3

This is classic American arrogance, trying to undermine international law for its own selfish agenda. It reinforces the need for the EU to break free from US tech.

You are wrong. It is not 'American' anything. This is plain corporate malfeasance and corruption. If anything its highly anti-American, borderline communist/state regime. American values include many things, one of the more important being free speech. Such a violation deserves reciprocity, stop blaming issues on the wrong things.

myth reality

  (50) In the same vein, study the right wing concept of
       "free market" as an exercise.
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