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Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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Doesn't look like any smart money on this one yet, but there's something bold about it. It's like Nassim Taleb's thing that you hire the ugly surgeon. This is one hideous surgeon. Fraud seems near impossible here. [Edit: a lot of thoughtful responses but downvoting?]

Matt Levine (financial columnist) often makes the point (or joke) that in fund management there a tendency to reward (as in: they get more money to manage) people who lost a lot of money, on the basis that they did manage to have a lot of money to start with, make bold bets, and should at least have learned something at this point.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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She had a recent interview[1] where she claimed she's actively working on her research behind bars and still wants the opportunity to change the world with her invention. This is not a coincidence at all. [ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_xyGbUNZ0&pp=ygUWZWxpemFiZXR... ]

This would have to factor into any future parole considerations, wouldn’t it?

No, because federal parole isn't a thing for crimes committed after November 1, 1987.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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post #5

Doesn't look like any smart money on this one yet, but there's something bold about it. It's like Nassim Taleb's thing that you hire the ugly surgeon. This is one hideous surgeon. Fraud seems near impossible here. [Edit: a lot of thoughtful responses but downvoting?]

Taleb took payment to promote cryptocurrency scammer Craig Wright and his BSV scamtoken.

If you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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post #5

Doesn't look like any smart money on this one yet, but there's something bold about it. It's like Nassim Taleb's thing that you hire the ugly surgeon. This is one hideous surgeon. Fraud seems near impossible here. [Edit: a lot of thoughtful responses but downvoting?]

If everyone uncritically invests because the Holmes association is perceived as making fraud impossible, then the association has actually had the opposite effect.

This is literally a rule that is entirely dependent on the rule itself not being popular.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would have to factor into any future parole considerations, wouldn’t it?

No, because federal parole isn't a thing for crimes committed after November 1, 1987.

Federal parole may not be possible, but a pardon definitely is.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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Just wow.

I think it's an uncomfortable truth that there was some good in Theranos in terms of the unfulfilled needs of society and the potential of diligent work toward realizing those needs with technology.

I don't know how often it's been said by others, but I often think that Theranos would have had an easier time if they hadn't falsified anything. Faking things takes effort too, and aiming a little lower and being less secretive would have been a better outcome. Maybe a different tack is possible through this reboot.

Mr. Evans' silver spoon is worth $10M, so raising $20M against that in such a fraught area is eye-opening. Whether he sees this as part of Elizabeth's redemption arc or just can't quit the hair of the dog that bit him, I guess we'll see.

Elizabeth Holmes' crime wasn't defrauding people, it was defrauding people richer than her. Change my mind.

Most VC's are taking it in the shorts right now anyway, because they're addicted to free money and there's no more free money, and most of them quite frankly suck at spotting good deals. So for the intrepid souls who cast their lot in with Mr. Evans, maybe only Nixon could go to China, and maybe they'll fare better than the stodgy fat-dumb-and-happy B-tier VC's who are not long for this brave new world anyway.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes's partner raises millions for blood-testing startup

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Rather than focusing on Holmes and her lover, I'd like to posit some other questions I have with this approach. Let's assume for just a minute that Holmes wasn't trying to rug pull and that she genuinely wanted Theranos to succeed in it's stated mission.

Wouldn't a foundational invention like this 20-30 years ago come out of a university lab? It feels like VC funding is not the right vehicle for the kind of development that takes a lot of time and must work the first time. Those VCs are going to be looking for returns.

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