Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

daringfireball.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 187 posts

Re: Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

#11

Post by jmduke »

refulgentis wrote: post #5
mmahemoff wrote: post #2

In the “good” quadrants are bullshit terms like “Social CRM”, “Social analytics”, and “Social influence ranking” Would he rather they put one-paragraph labels on each quadrant? Sometimes phrases that sound like MBA buzzwords (and might be MBA buzzwords) are actually useful too.

The overall issue with the diagram is, not only are they MBA buzzwords, but it's a silly diagram that has no meaning – they're dressing up 'things we don't want you to do anymore' as a technical diagram in a two-dimensional space that makes little to no sense.

What doesn't make sense about the diagram?

Re: Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

#14

Post by sillysaurus »

ziadbc wrote: post #6

Twitter wants to give you access to the data. Their client is their main product. Thus, every 3rd party client is competing with their main product, that seems to be a fact. Theres no way to stop you from building one anyway, twitter knows that. If you go against their rules, you're a revolutionary, and if you win that revolution, they'll have to deal with you. You can't expect however, that the incumbent is going to…

Twitter had better take a long, hard look at Joel's old essay on Platforms: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Platforms.html

Declaring war on your third-party developers is shortsighted at best, fatal at worst.

Re: Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

#15

Post by streptomycin »

andrewfelix wrote: post #7

Utter hypocrisy that they're discouraging third party clients, after having acquired one. app.net suddenly looks more attractive.

app.net looks more attractive, until the same shit starts happening there in 5 years. The problem is walled garden social networks. It's a fundamentally bad idea for everyone involved, except the people who own it and can turn a profit. StatusNet/Identica is a much better solution to this problem than yet another walled garden. Free, open source, and federated. How many times does the same shit need to happen before people realize the only long-term solution?

Re: Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

#18

Post by jmduke »

clobber wrote: post #8
dchuk wrote: post #4

"In the “good” quadrants are bullshit terms like “Social CRM”, “Social analytics”, and “Social influence ranking”." Not bullshit, these are demonstrably useful products for people who want to utilize new traffic sources in the interest of making money or growing their business. "But services like Storify and Favstar, which are actually useful and/or fun, those are no good." ummm...ok? Utility is in the eye of the beh…

Let's get one thing straight: these are not products, they're services. Nobody is producing anything here.

Do you not consider a releasable piece of software a 'product'?

Re: Twitter to Client Developers: Drop Dead

#19

Post by ascendant »

ziadbc wrote: post #6

Twitter wants to give you access to the data. Their client is their main product. Thus, every 3rd party client is competing with their main product, that seems to be a fact. Theres no way to stop you from building one anyway, twitter knows that. If you go against their rules, you're a revolutionary, and if you win that revolution, they'll have to deal with you. You can't expect however, that the incumbent is going to…

This completely ignores the fact that Twitter has more than a small amount of its success owed to the vibrant third party ecosystem early on. They're not slowly opening up from a closed position. They're trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle and in the long run, I don't think it will work out well for them.
Post reply on HN