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Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by jMyles »

noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

> no one remembers it.

That doesn't resonate with my experience. People know about the murder, but aren't sure what to do.

The murderer, who clearly had mental health issues (eg, having "you're fucked" on the dust cover of his personal AR-15, which he used to commit the act), was acquitted (in a trial of strange circumstances). It's baffling that none of his colleagues - who saw the message on his weapon - ever pulled him aside to ask if he was OK.

And anyway, what does this have to do with your point of holding up an unlikely / outlying example to demonstrate a phenomenon?

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by kubb »

So it was a common practice a century before the photo was taken.

How is it surprising that people get upset? The photo is a record of a depiction of a practice that existed.

It’s the practice that people don’t like, not the depiction.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by genewitch »

noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

Elijah McCain wasn't allegedly shooting an air rifle at a motel, so I'd reckon they should be the face.

Right?

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by snickerer »

giorgosts wrote: post #5

So it is a re-enactment but nevertheless, it is depicting real world practices prevalent at the time.

People and societies work a lot with re-enactment. I think of, for example, pirates. There was nothing fun about them, watching the Jolly Roger approaching you must be horrible, followed by a gruesome death. But we, adults and children both, are enjoying to play pirates. Maybe the re-enactment of something brutal can be a healthy way to get over it for humans.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by irjustin »

dlkmp wrote: post #6
giorgosts wrote: post #5

So it is a re-enactment but nevertheless, it is depicting real world practices prevalent at the time.

Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).

I'll play's devil's advocate - is there really a difference?

People were angry (rightfully so) at children chimney sweeps and they definitely existed, were abused and did die/have horrible problems/etc.

So the outrage is justified. Now, the specific picture isn't true/authentic, but the contents of the picture definitely existed did.

So is it wrong?

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by normie3000 »

dcminter wrote: post #10
pavel_lishin wrote: post #8

> But the pavement looked familiar to me, I’m specialised in Europe during the 1920s-40s and have worked on a project about daily life in Berlin in the 1920s and I’ve seen that pavement in other old footage and in countless photos. I visited Jerusalem yesterday, and was struck by the fact that there are places in the world where people have been continuously walking for millennia, putting their feet on the same stone…

The Guildhall in London is one of the old political centres of the city. If you go down into the basement there's the remains of a Roman ampitheatre! Tucked away in an alcove on Cannon Street is an old block of stone. This is the famous London Stone. So old that nobody knows what it is originally famous for... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildhall,_London https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stone That sort of…

> That ampitheatre shows that street level in ancient times

Why do street levels change like this? There seem to be a lot of "buried streets" in old cities.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by normie3000 »

xucian wrote: post #7
bruce511 wrote: post #4

It really doesn't take much to get people outraged. The last 20 years or so of social media, and cultural politics has taught us that. And enraged people are easily manipulated. Americans were enraged after 9/11, and that engagement was quickly weaponized into the Patriot Act and the "War on Terror". The flip side of all this enragement is a callous apathy. Things that really should concern me (like the eradication o…

this is an incredibly overlooked angle, I think I never actually thought of this. thanks a lot, this makes a lot of sense

Conceptually similar to disaster capitalism, perhaps? "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by giorgosts »

dlkmp wrote: post #6
giorgosts wrote: post #5

So it is a re-enactment but nevertheless, it is depicting real world practices prevalent at the time.

Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).

Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though? For social media? For clicks over the interwebs?

For context, by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps. Pieces of burned clothing were found on rooftops. Even Britain had a eugenics program against inferior races.

Not likely therefore made to cause outrage over children's rights, rather to depict established practices.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

genewitch wrote: post #13
noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

Elijah McCain wasn't allegedly shooting an air rifle at a motel, so I'd reckon they should be the face. Right?

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