> Under Trump 2.0, some Europeans fear that storing their data in the bit barns of Microsoft, Google and AWS is no longer safe
More like realize it wasn’t safe even before Trump
Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
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Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#12> "The Cloud Act grants US authorities access to cloud data hosted by US companies. It does not matter if that data is located in the US, Europe, or anywhere else." Exactly. So long as that is true, the idea that an EU datacenter run by Microsoft can be "sovereign" is nonsense. Having an in-EU owned cloud becomes a national security issue. Tech independence is a long way off though. I wonder if, like the carbon trans…
Forget about access. What happens if Trump, tomorrow, orders Microsoft to cut off some government because they were mean to him or whatnot? How much leverage does a European economy running on American technology hand D.C., and do you really trust us to safeguard that power responsibly?
It's a very real risk! Economic suicide for Microsoft .. in the long term. In the short term? Well, Satya Nadella is an immigrant, so he can simply be disappeared like Jack Ma, without guaranteed access to a court, if he doesn't follow orders.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#13Good for open source companies eating a part of the pie from big techs by offering open source self-hosted alternatives.
For B2B solutions, it’s more about implementation, workflows and support. Of course scaling and core platform maintenance and support is a challenge with self-hosting.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#14Anyone else see the parallel to the Trump-Tarriff debacle that has been going on - Where are the european hyperscalers? If europe cared so much about tech independence they should have invested in their own homegrown tech ~15 years ago. Sounds alot like outsourcing everything to chinese manufacturing and then complaining about being dependent on china, which is unfair! At the very least europe has noticed a problem a…
> Where are the european hyperscalers? If europe cared so much about tech independence they should have invested in their own homegrown tech
The EU's would seem to vibe more with open source than privately-owned hyperscalers. Maybe host it for free for EU persons and companies.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#15Trump might be succeeding at what lots and lots of European tech experts have been unsuccessfully trying to do for years:
Making those in power realize that it is not acceptable to be totally dependant on and locked-in to US tech.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#16> "The Cloud Act grants US authorities access to cloud data hosted by US companies. It does not matter if that data is located in the US, Europe, or anywhere else." Exactly. So long as that is true, the idea that an EU datacenter run by Microsoft can be "sovereign" is nonsense. Having an in-EU owned cloud becomes a national security issue. Tech independence is a long way off though. I wonder if, like the carbon trans…
Looking at Microsoft's proposal, it looks like the sovereign data centers will be ran by non-Microsoft owned European companies? But the software would be from Microsoft.
I wonder how much difference would there be between a European company running a DC or Microsoft running a DC under a Microsoft European entity.
Windows itself has had backdoors via viruses. But even the Linux kernel has been vulnerable in the past to backdoors, so there is also that.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#17Anyone else see the parallel to the Trump-Tarriff debacle that has been going on - Where are the european hyperscalers? If europe cared so much about tech independence they should have invested in their own homegrown tech ~15 years ago. Sounds alot like outsourcing everything to chinese manufacturing and then complaining about being dependent on china, which is unfair! At the very least europe has noticed a problem a…
2 things happen repeatedly in the European tech scene: you get large enough to be noticed by Google, MS, Amazon, and they acquire you. Or, in order to continue to scale you move the entire company to SV, ie Spotify. If the EU stepped in to block the acquisition or corporate move, in order to keep their tech homegrown, it would be seen as government overreach and not respecting the free markets.
Maybe it's time we realize free markets are ... bad sometimes?
Why are we sacrificing our sovereignty to an abstract ideology?
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#18> "The Cloud Act grants US authorities access to cloud data hosted by US companies. It does not matter if that data is located in the US, Europe, or anywhere else." Exactly. So long as that is true, the idea that an EU datacenter run by Microsoft can be "sovereign" is nonsense. Having an in-EU owned cloud becomes a national security issue. Tech independence is a long way off though. I wonder if, like the carbon trans…
I dealt with a EU//German regulator in the past about this very topic in a finance context.
This behavior is peak willful ignorance. Its sold as risk planing by EU entities but after all its just liability planing.
What I mean by that is, for convenience reasons everyone goes along with US Clouds knowing it is technically absolutely possible to access the data but as long the contracts are clean and state they are following EU law its fine. Just in case you can make the point the contract was broken the paper is of relevance.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#19I think this is long overdue, just like Europe's sudden investment in militaries to pull its weight in global defence. More competition is better.
Global military competition is usually called a world war and is generally a bad thing.
Re: Microsoft gets twitchy over talk of Europe's tech independence
#20I'd love to see the EU aggressively expand investment in the Linux desktop. I'd absolutely drop my job and jump on FOSS projects if there was financial incentive to do so - I'd even take a hit on compensation to participate.