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RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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post #8

RFK never said or implied that all people with autism are non-functional in important areas. It's true that a significant number are, and it's really strange and perhaps cruel to see people trying to erase that. And it doesn't make it less of an issue to address even if some of those people write poetry.

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Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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The autism epidemic in Cali that George WBush attempted to investigate is exactly what made silicon valley exist. Autism should not be viewed as a negative. In the new tech economy aspergers is a huge benefit.

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/autism-data-visuali...

Also interesting to note because of RFK jr context. Notice Georgia(56.9% vaccinated) and Tennesseeeseee(56.1% vaccinated) as hotspots for autism. While Kentucky isnt a hot spot and is 73.1% routine vaccinated. This is anti-correlative to vaccines causing autism.

My Poem(downvote me if it sucks):

Georgia stands at 56,

Tennessee just barely 56,

Yet Kentucky, in the heat,

Boasts 73 is no small feat.

If vaccines brought harm, the trend would show,

But higher rates see no such blow,

The vaccine myth falls flat,

No link from science, just fears.

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

#13
post #6

A rich kid heroin addict who didnt OD and failed upward is the last person we should be discussing seriously.

Unfortunately when they're in such a position of power, it's difficult not to discuss, seriously or not.

You’re right. We have no choice. But it is hard for me to be serious and objective. It is like having to disprove flat earthers.

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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post #8

RFK never said or implied that all people with autism are non-functional in important areas. It's true that a significant number are, and it's really strange and perhaps cruel to see people trying to erase that. And it doesn't make it less of an issue to address even if some of those people write poetry.

I feel like there is a group of people that *deeply* want the autism rates to continue at the rate they are at due to some strange ideation. It's hard to describe what I mean, but the closest thing I can think of is a social contagion or a society wide Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

Does that make sense?

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

#16
post #5

I feel the statement "autistic people will never write a poem" may be trivially true, because (I suspect) many people will never write a poem. The implication that this is invalid or wrong is perverse. And the fact that now we have to argue for the dignity of autistic people by saying that there are autistic poets is also non-sensical. These are all cruel suggestions about people, we should challenge why RFK makes st…

The quote is:

"And these are kids who will never pay taxes, they’ll never hold a job, they’ll never play baseball, they’ll never write a poem, they’ll never go out on a date. Many of them will never use a toilet unassisted." ... "Most cases now are severe. Twenty-five percent of the kids who are diagnosed with autism are nonverbal, non-toilet-trained, and have other stereotypical features."

Then pbs fact-checking is questioning the "twenty-five percent".

But he was talking about severe autism, and yet this seems to be morphing somehow into "RFK Jr says George Bernard Shaw didn't exist".

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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post #8

RFK never said or implied that all people with autism are non-functional in important areas. It's true that a significant number are, and it's really strange and perhaps cruel to see people trying to erase that. And it doesn't make it less of an issue to address even if some of those people write poetry.

A few months ago, there was an op-ed in the NY Times that said RFK was wrong to say x% of people are diabetics. But RFK mentionned explicitly x% are "diabetics and pre-diabetics" people. While I can't verify if the number is correct, it was obvious the NY Times was misquoting RFK.

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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post #5

I feel the statement "autistic people will never write a poem" may be trivially true, because (I suspect) many people will never write a poem. The implication that this is invalid or wrong is perverse. And the fact that now we have to argue for the dignity of autistic people by saying that there are autistic poets is also non-sensical. These are all cruel suggestions about people, we should challenge why RFK makes st…

The quote is: "And these are kids who will never pay taxes, they’ll never hold a job, they’ll never play baseball, they’ll never write a poem, they’ll never go out on a date. Many of them will never use a toilet unassisted." ... "Most cases now are severe. Twenty-five percent of the kids who are diagnosed with autism are nonverbal, non-toilet-trained, and have other stereotypical features." Then pbs fact-checking is…

> Most cases now are severe.

Wasn’t this always the case?

Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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> As an autistic English professor who studies literature and neurodiversity, I was especially unnerved by Kennedy’s contention that many autistic people will never write poetry. > It couldn’t be further from the truth. Screw this English professor with autism - RFK's comments are literally correct if you read them. Many autistic people like my child will never speak , he's not talking about English professors with l…

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Re: RFK Jr is wrong – there's a rich history of autistic poets

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post #8

RFK never said or implied that all people with autism are non-functional in important areas. It's true that a significant number are, and it's really strange and perhaps cruel to see people trying to erase that. And it doesn't make it less of an issue to address even if some of those people write poetry.

The infamous speech fragment is really close to the likes of Nazi propaganda. An example was giving children homework to calculate how much a disabled person costs society. THAT is extremely cruel, and so was RFK's speech, because there definitely was this undertone present.
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