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NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Another knowledgeable person leaving due to DOGE, what a surprise. The US is loosing its smartest people due to Trump. Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else.

> Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else.

Making advanced, superior weapons systems requires a workforce with strong science, engineering, and manufacturing skills.

I struggle to understand how the current administration's policies help.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

It looks a lot better on the resume to say "I quit in protest" than to say "I was fired because I refused to do my job".

Quitting in protest also makes better headlines than getting fired and it lets the person quitting set the narrative. "I quit because the administration was asking me to do something unethical or against the best interests of the American public" makes for good headlines, compared to "Trump admin fires head of the NSF" and then having to go on damage control justifying why you were fired and why it's a good thing actually.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

>I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can.

Can you give me some examples of how you would fight?

Boss comes in (or whoever more powerful than me, e.g. someone acting on the president's orders), says something with the gist of "Do this, or get fired". What are the next steps that I can take that won't get me fired, but also count as fighting back?

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Another knowledgeable person leaving due to DOGE, what a surprise. The US is loosing its smartest people due to Trump. Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else.

> Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else. Making advanced, superior weapons systems requires a workforce with strong science, engineering, and manufacturing skills. I struggle to understand how the current administration's policies help.

You can always hope your old stockpile of weapons works while bullying smaller countries with it.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Pretty distressing at how there’s basically zero pushback from the American elites at the destruction of all strategic American advantages and only ineffective pushback from the public.

There will be entire genres of books written about how America just said “eh” to being gutted by a bunch of rich psychopaths.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

It's certainly going to test your moral fortitude but at some point I think this is a bit like telling a victim of domestic violence to stick it out.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

You will only be able to remain on the job by compromising and compromising and compromising until there are none of your principles left. You might as well leave immediately and fight from outside.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

I think there are two problems:

- How can you fight from the inside against people who can get you fired at will? I think it's more effective to fight from the outside.

- Science requires a lot of honesty, trust and assumes people generally act in good faith. So Scientists are not well equipped for political fights against hardcore ideologues. Just look at climate or vaccine denial.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Another knowledgeable person leaving due to DOGE, what a surprise. The US is loosing its smartest people due to Trump. Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else.

We're going to bring manufacturing back! But we're not bringing back the crappy manufacturing jobs that pay absolute peanuts. No, we're going to automate those! With robots that we don't make here in the US, of course. Those robots don't exist, because if they did then China would be using them, but we'll buy some robots from China at 150% tariffs so that we can set up some degree of manufacturing here in the US!

We'll create jobs! But good-paying jobs, for well-educated people! The kind that we won't be making anymore once we gut the department of education and saddle everyone with crushing student loan debt that we've just announced we're going to be chasing after again! Because the government isn't willing to let people get away without paying their debts! Unless it's a big bank, or a billionaire. Or the US government itself, for that matter! But the US government is in massive debt, and we can't let student loan payments go unpaid! But we can give a $4.5 trillion tax cut to billionaires who don't need it, that's important.

The administration is in this weird limbo of "doesn't know what they're doing" and "is desperately trying to accomplish goals that will clearly and irreparably tank the entire country".

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Another knowledgeable person leaving due to DOGE, what a surprise. The US is loosing its smartest people due to Trump. Soon we will be a backwater country with lots of weapons, nothing else.

Yes, but we'll have stuck it to the woke, and that's what counts.

Isolating the US from the rest of the world economically and politically and plunging the country into an unforced recession while giving trillions of dollars to billionaires and texting state secrets to journalists and relatives to own the libs.
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