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Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

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There is not much to see on a server that is down, so let me share some free advice instead. Visit Eclipse Theia in the mean time when you are serious about de-risking from VSCode. I think VSCodium is doing an uphill battle here, while Microsoft can't help them self being a sales company first. In Theia, everything is open and free of spyware. MS is under no obligation to provide an OSS editor, but playing tricks aft…

Why would I switch from vscodium to theia?

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#12
I noticed this the other day when I installed VSCodium on my new Windows box. I had a functional setup for one day, then the next day I couldn't install a language extension I direly needed.

It's left a very sour taste in my mouth. I've used Emacs for ages and despite being a much more niche editor, it's never been so hard-dependent on centralized repositories, and the centralized repositories it does have (ELPA/MELPA) are apparently a lot more reliable than OpenVSX. Installing Emacs packages manually from source is a breeze, doing so with VSC is masochistic.

VSC is not really "open source" in any meaningful sense. It is just plainly unusable if you don't do things the way Microsoft wants you to. I do respect the VSCodium devs for trying to make VSC more properly open, but it does feel like a futile effort.

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#13

There is not much to see on a server that is down, so let me share some free advice instead. Visit Eclipse Theia in the mean time when you are serious about de-risking from VSCode. I think VSCodium is doing an uphill battle here, while Microsoft can't help them self being a sales company first. In Theia, everything is open and free of spyware. MS is under no obligation to provide an OSS editor, but playing tricks aft…

Why would I switch from vscodium to theia?

Theia is not a fork of vscode (even though it looks like it). It uses VSCode's code editor (Monoco) and is written from the ground up. Presumably allowing it to support extensions, that for example, vscode does not.

However, its early days.

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#14

I'm sure some (many?) will disagree with me but: VSCode is Android. Or rather, VSCode's source is AOSP and the marketplace, plugins, etc are Google Play Services. I say that with maximum derision.

> VSCode is Android

Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy.

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#15

I'm sure some (many?) will disagree with me but: VSCode is Android. Or rather, VSCode's source is AOSP and the marketplace, plugins, etc are Google Play Services. I say that with maximum derision.

> VSCode is Android Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy.

Like have a working keyboard?

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#16

I'm sure some (many?) will disagree with me but: VSCode is Android. Or rather, VSCode's source is AOSP and the marketplace, plugins, etc are Google Play Services. I say that with maximum derision.

I mean, it's Microsoft. We all knew that to an extent going in.

Google, on the other hand, pretended to be the FOSS crusader while setting themselves up for a ton of vendor lock-in that would not only have gotten 90s MS convicted on antitrust, but Bill Gates crucified on the National Mall.

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> VSCode is Android Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy.

Like have a working keyboard?

My android phone doesn't have a working keyboard?

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

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post #8

Remember vs code is designed to fracture and the forks are an integral part of that. https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

Thanks for the share. Yeah, building upon VSCode (MIT) is a stupid idea. Regarding OpenVSX, it was developed whilst I was at Gitpod and transferred to the Eclipse Foundation. It's been many years now, so my memory might be a little dated as to what came first, but OpenVSX/Gitpod/Thiea/Eclipse origins can all be traced back to https://www.typefox.io/ . Anyway. OpenVSX is classic XKCD https://xkcd.com/2347/ territory—r…

it's kind of wild -- none of the multimillion dollar VSCode forks (Cursor, windsurf) are working properly at the moment. It seems open-vsx is quite a vulnerable single point of failure. Searching extensions gives a 503.

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

#19

There is not much to see on a server that is down, so let me share some free advice instead. Visit Eclipse Theia in the mean time when you are serious about de-risking from VSCode. I think VSCodium is doing an uphill battle here, while Microsoft can't help them self being a sales company first. In Theia, everything is open and free of spyware. MS is under no obligation to provide an OSS editor, but playing tricks aft…

> MS is under no obligation to provide an OSS editor, but playing tricks after luring people in is not nice.

Microsoft is partly to blame, but people have been warning about this over and over and over ad nauseam and people still choose to use VSCode. You couldn't even get people to not use the proprietary extensions for C/C++, Python and remote development.

The problem is that Microsoft dedicates enough resource to development that everybody else looks like a rounding error.

For example, anybody could have produced the Language Server Protocol, but nobody had the critical mass until Microsoft shoved it down everybody's throats.

Until somebody puts a significant amount of money behind an alternative, Microsoft is going to continue to win this battle.

(I was going to also say "or the OSS guys all unify behind a choice" but Hell will freeze over before that happens.)

Re: OpenVSX, which VSCode forks rely on for extensions, down for 24 hours

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I'm sure some (many?) will disagree with me but: VSCode is Android. Or rather, VSCode's source is AOSP and the marketplace, plugins, etc are Google Play Services. I say that with maximum derision.

A good analogy. I always felt a little dirty using VScode. Back to tmux, vim a few months back like it has been for the last 20 odd years.
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