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FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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Good people are being punished just for ignoring a few "statutes" and "violating" "civil" "rights" whereas bad people are allowed to do whatever they want because they "haven't done anything illegal" and are "endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights". It's criminal, or more to the point not at all criminal and it needs to be stopped!

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

#12
I was always able to cancel very easily. I’ve done so many X free months of Uber One and it’s been so much easier than cancelling any number of other subscriptions (NYT has still been my worst experience on that front). I’m surprised to see that as a complaint tbh.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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post #10

> Some users are told they have to contact customer support to cancel but are given no way to contact them A company can save a lot of money by not handling edge cases.

Have an issue with my business listing on Google. They say I need to contact support. There is no support. It does not exist. Why do they do these things?

Because 1) it's cheaper 2) fuck you, that's why.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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Anecdote:

Uber Eats markets a 2 for 1 deal that I would have only ordered due to the deal. They always add both items when you take the deal to the cart, but they suddenly changed it. I didn't realize I had to manually add both, and only had one delivered. I called them up and they only refunded a portion, and not the whole thing without accounting for the fact that it was an opportunity cost for me. I would have just bought something else, or not at all. It's tin-foil hatting, but they coerced a purchase imho.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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post #10

> Some users are told they have to contact customer support to cancel but are given no way to contact them A company can save a lot of money by not handling edge cases.

Have an issue with my business listing on Google. They say I need to contact support. There is no support. It does not exist. Why do they do these things?

> Why do they do these things?

Because they can get away with it. Nestle has gotten away with killing nearly ten million children since 1960. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Nestlé_boycott

Companies have no morality. Unless someone holds them accountable they're going optimize for making money.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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Similar to CA's requirement for online cancellations if a subscription is purchased online, there should be a rule that requires the same amount of steps to cancel as it takes to subscribe.

Yes it could still be gamed, but anyone who's worked on user funnels knows that every added step reduces conversion, so it would be self-balancing.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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> Users can be forced to navigate as many as 23 screens and take as many as 32 actions to cancel. I complain about dark patterns _a_lot_ but this one takes the cake!

I'd take that with a grain of salt. I've went through the process to cancel an uber one trial recently, and I would say it's not anywhere near "23 screens". Maybe the user in question got unlucky and got hit with all the A/B trials, and they're being super generous with what counts as a "screen", but the process was relatively painless.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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I’m convinced I get more “deals” (temporary discounts) from Uber without Uber One/after canceling it, which offsets the benefits from Uber One. I don’t see those deals on Uber Eats so it feels like the real value of Uber One is for heavy Uber Eats users. PS. Worth going through the cancellation flow when you are up for renewal as they will probably offer you 50% off Uber One.

The deals for any of these meal services are bullshit in my experience. There's a lot of hidden fees or minimum order amount stuff that isn't apparent until you get to the checkout, definitely not the great deal they have you believe you're getting.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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> Some users are told they have to contact customer support to cancel but are given no way to contact them A company can save a lot of money by not handling edge cases.

In my experience, when you’re within 24 hours or so of an upcoming renewal, you have to contact support to stop the renewal. And there isn’t a prominent way to contact support, because the contact form is hidden until you view a past order. That’s not really an edge case…

On another note, an actual edge case that happened to me is that I was in a different country when my Uber One was about to renew, but I had no way to cancel because the app kept geolocating me and displayed a UI specific to my visiting country. I got no Uber One benefits in that country anyway. So I had to send an email to stop renewal, and while I was waiting for a reply, I got charged. Support said they can’t refund me, and I ended up having to do a chargeback.

Re: FTC takes action against Uber for deceptive billing and cancellation practices

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post #10

> Some users are told they have to contact customer support to cancel but are given no way to contact them A company can save a lot of money by not handling edge cases.

Have an issue with my business listing on Google. They say I need to contact support. There is no support. It does not exist. Why do they do these things?

But I get called all the time from Google saying my business listing isn't up to date! Google has fantastic, proactive support. (/s)
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