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Encryption Is Not a Crime
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#12There's an abstract argument template that I've noticed floating around. It goes like this: 1. There's a thing T in the world, and that thing has negative outcomes X, Y, Z, and positive outcomes A, B, C. 2. Some people believe that Y and Z are so bad, that they want to partly compromise C to diminish them. 3. However that will never work! And they'll definitely also take B if we let them mess with C. 4. Besides, C is…
Are you saying that this template is what the article is presenting?
If so I don't believe it applies, in particular because you have stated that only a partial compromise on C is needed to prevent Y and Z.
There is no "partial compromise" on encryption, so this argument is flawed. There is no way to have encryption that "only the good guys" can break. It is either secure, or it is not.
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#13Not a crime, but somehow our dear EU overloads try every year or so to make it a crime in any way possible (eg. chat control). If we want to play in a world with full transparency, let's start with the politicians!
And like always they claim its to protect our children... Who could possibly argue against protecting children?
Why do you need encryption? Are you sending pedo photos? Are you a pedo? Looks guys, here's a pedo who wants encryption not to get caught!
/s
Also 's/pedo/terrorist/', or {russian|chinese|iranian|north korean} spy or any "bad guy of the day".
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#14> It's not a crime to lock your home's door for protection, why would it be a crime to lock your digital door?
A locked home's door is still trivially opened. You can pick the lock or even apply simple brute force, neither of which all that difficult, and open happily it will. Similarly, I don't suppose anyone would be concerned about you using rot13 encryption. If a home could be sealed to the same degree as strong encryption, absolutely it would be a crime, for better or worse.
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#15Something is a crime if society determines that it should be so. Nothing more.
Clearly the pressure on government to write these laws is coming from somewhere. You should engage with the arguments the other side makes.
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#16There's an abstract argument template that I've noticed floating around. It goes like this: 1. There's a thing T in the world, and that thing has negative outcomes X, Y, Z, and positive outcomes A, B, C. 2. Some people believe that Y and Z are so bad, that they want to partly compromise C to diminish them. 3. However that will never work! And they'll definitely also take B if we let them mess with C. 4. Besides, C is…
Are you saying that this template is what the article is presenting? If so I don't believe it applies, in particular because you have stated that only a partial compromise on C is needed to prevent Y and Z. There is no "partial compromise" on encryption, so this argument is flawed. There is no way to have encryption that "only the good guys" can break. It is either secure, or it is not.
C isn't encryption :(
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#17It’s honestly annoying how often experts speak up about this, and still nothing changes. We’re stuck in the same cycle—fear gets in the way, and in the end, it’s our privacy and security that suffer. If anything, this should be a sign to invest in stronger encryption and better law enforcement tactics that don’t mess with the tools keeping us safe online.
Imagine how much more successful and productive humanity would be if we weren't constantly being told to fear our neighbors.
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#18There's an abstract argument template that I've noticed floating around. It goes like this: 1. There's a thing T in the world, and that thing has negative outcomes X, Y, Z, and positive outcomes A, B, C. 2. Some people believe that Y and Z are so bad, that they want to partly compromise C to diminish them. 3. However that will never work! And they'll definitely also take B if we let them mess with C. 4. Besides, C is…
My favorite version of it is "Let's ban air because terrorists breathe".
I love strawmen, but I've seen way too many in my time.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
And like always they claim its to protect our children... Who could possibly argue against protecting children?
Why do you need encryption? Are you sending pedo photos? Are you a pedo? Looks guys, here's a pedo who wants encryption not to get caught! /s Also 's/pedo/terrorist/', or {russian|chinese|iranian|north korean} spy or any "bad guy of the day".
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#20Something is a crime if society determines that it should be so. Nothing more. Clearly the pressure on government to write these laws is coming from somewhere. You should engage with the arguments the other side makes.
The arguments from the other side are of the "think of the children" and "tough on crime" variety. They are purely emotional and if you try to dispute them they just respond with "so you don't care about children?". It's like trying to argue with a religious person on matters of faith, you're just not very likely to convince them.
*edited to add "on matters of faith"