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DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by charcircuit »

srean wrote: post #2

Can a powerful model become a fantastic autocomplete for dolphins ? Sure. Someday soon that's very likely to happen. But that alone would tell us almost nothing of what dolphin dialogue means. To understand their language we need shared experiences, shared emotions, common internal worlds. Observation of dolphin-dolphin interaction would help but to a limited degree. It would help if the dolphins are also interested…

>To understand their language we need shared experiences, shared emotions, common internal worlds

Why? With modern AI there exists unsupervised learning for translation where you don't have to explicitly make translation pairs between the 2 languages. It seems possible to eventually create a way to translate without having to have a teaching process for individual words like you describe.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by ZeroCool2u »

Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN.

Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another?

You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like a worthwhile endeavor to me.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by srean »

charcircuit wrote: post #11
srean wrote: post #2

Can a powerful model become a fantastic autocomplete for dolphins ? Sure. Someday soon that's very likely to happen. But that alone would tell us almost nothing of what dolphin dialogue means. To understand their language we need shared experiences, shared emotions, common internal worlds. Observation of dolphin-dolphin interaction would help but to a limited degree. It would help if the dolphins are also interested…

>To understand their language we need shared experiences, shared emotions, common internal worlds Why? With modern AI there exists unsupervised learning for translation where you don't have to explicitly make translation pairs between the 2 languages. It seems possible to eventually create a way to translate without having to have a teaching process for individual words like you describe.

Teach the meaning and understanding of 'chrome red' to a chilf blind from birth.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by charcircuit »

srean wrote: post #13
charcircuit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>To understand their language we need shared experiences, shared emotions, common internal worlds Why? With modern AI there exists unsupervised learning for translation where you don't have to explicitly make translation pairs between the 2 languages. It seems possible to eventually create a way to translate without having to have a teaching process for individual words like you describe.

Teach the meaning and understanding of 'chrome red' to a chilf blind from birth.

This can easily be done by giving that prompt to chatgpt and allowing the child to ask it follow up questions.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by davedigerati »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #12

Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN. Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another? You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like…

I for one am simply happy to see us trying to apply LLMs to something other than replacing call centers... humankind SHOULD be exploring and learning sometimes even when there isn't an ROI.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by vlovich123 »

xena wrote: post #8

This looks like a marine biologist desperately wanted to keep their job in spite of the "nothing that's not AI" mandate so they made up some bullshit.

They’ve been working on decoding dolphin sounds for a long time - Thad was telling me about this project in 2015 and it had been ongoing for a while. One challenge is doing this realtime is extremely difficult because of the frequency the dolphin speech occurs in. And they want to do this realtime which adds to the difficulty level. The other challenge on the AI side is that traditional AI is done using supervised learning whereas dolphin speech would require unsupervised learning. It would be interesting to learn more about how Gemma is helping here.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by morkalork »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #12

Wow, there's a lot of cynicism in this thread, even for HN. Regardless of whether or not it works perfectly, surely we can all relate to the childhood desire to 'speak' to animals at one point or another? You can call it a waste of resources or someones desperate attempt at keeping their job if you want, but these are marine biologists. I imagine cross species communication would be a major achievement and seems like…

I'd be less cynnical if researchers hadn't announced the same thing like 10 years ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/science/dolphins-machine-...

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