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I don't like traveling anymore

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Re: I don't like traveling anymore

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Post by chii »

pj_mukh wrote: post #9

After 35, you don't like traveling but boy do you like 'Vacationing'. Author is right, after you travel (and slum it a bit) you realize that after surface level cultural/food/history differences everyone kinda/sorta wants similar things in life and while people's life stories are interesting, you start noticing patterns. OTOH, (Caveat:I don't have enough money for this) there is nothing that recharges you more than f…

> People (esp in their 20's) poo poo this. Rightly so

Not really. It's sour grapes imho.

Re: I don't like traveling anymore

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Post by keiferski »

There’s a weird gap in the modern world when it comes to travel, which is traveling as a group / society. In the distant past it was very common for entire societies to be nomadic. You’d have both your friends and family + movement around the globe.

On the other hand, the solo traveler is a recent phenomenon largely enabled by 20th century technology and political developments.

I know there are programs which travel the world as a group, but they tend to be very ends-focused (“startup travelers”) etc.

So, the era of time when the Earth had open, undefined spaces (“smooth space” as defined by the philosopher Deleuze) seems to be basically over forever, barring an apocalyptic event. We might have to wait for new planets to see nomadic societies existing again.

Re: I don't like traveling anymore

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Post by Monotoko »

chii wrote: post #11
pj_mukh wrote: post #9

After 35, you don't like traveling but boy do you like 'Vacationing'. Author is right, after you travel (and slum it a bit) you realize that after surface level cultural/food/history differences everyone kinda/sorta wants similar things in life and while people's life stories are interesting, you start noticing patterns. OTOH, (Caveat:I don't have enough money for this) there is nothing that recharges you more than f…

> People (esp in their 20's) poo poo this. Rightly so Not really. It's sour grapes imho.

I wouldn’t say sour grapes, just that people have a certain budget. Forgoing Business/First i used to be able to afford more days away, maybe an extra city, etc

As I get older I take business class more, because I prefer the comfort over having a few extra days. Ask younger me and he would have taken the extra holiday days

Re: I don't like traveling anymore

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Post by seydor »

Tourism has been in an absolute bubble since the 1990s . The social media turbocharged this , creating a literal rat race where travel became almost 'work' in search of the perfect selfie.

Do you think we might be seeing this bubble bursting now ?

Re: I don't like traveling anymore

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Post by achierius »

keiferski wrote: post #13

There’s a weird gap in the modern world when it comes to travel, which is traveling as a group / society. In the distant past it was very common for entire societies to be nomadic. You’d have both your friends and family + movement around the globe. On the other hand, the solo traveler is a recent phenomenon largely enabled by 20th century technology and political developments. I know there are programs which travel…

Deleuze mentioned on HN? I'll have to check my window for aerial pigs come the morning.

> when the Earth had open, undefined spaces

For physical spaces, you're correct, but it is worth noting that other spaces have appeared and thereafter made the same transition. The internet, for example, is a pretty clear-cut case of a striated system today -- it facilitates desires into tightly-controlled pathways and channels by which means value can be extracted. But in its early years, it was almost totally smooth: communities like Geocities and MySpace demonstrate this through their total stylistic incoherency. While it is of course different than actually going to a new place, it's still a rare thing -- to experience a "totally new" place, unblemished and unoccupied.

And it's not impossible for striated spaces to be deterritorialized: as Deleuze points out, this is in fact a natural tendency of striated space, and it takes active effort (e.g. by a capitalist world-system) to maintain the existing striation.

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