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Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by linsomniac »

mentalgear wrote: post #3

Finally, I had installed Brave just for the web-app support.

Yesterday afternoon I transitioned from Brave to Firefox. Brave was struggling, admittedly after a system uptime of 69 days, even after killing it brave would regularly struggle and do a whole ton of disc I/O, bringing my system to its knees. Rebooting fixes it, FYI, but it seems weird that "pkill -f brave" doesn't seem to resolve it. Slack also has similar struggles, this is under Ubuntu 22.04.

So far Firefox has been a bit rocky, I don't seem to be able to open Jira tickets. Some might consider that a feature, but my job isn't one of them. That's shaken my faith in Firefox more than a bit.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by wtallis »

ctoth wrote: post #8

> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.

PWAs that prevent you from getting at your browser extensions are an inherently user-hostile idea.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by sho_hn »

bergheim wrote: post #9

Every time Mozilla is on here people go crazy. And they wrote their comment using Chrome or some skin. Which they have used for a decade. Because the button on the left seemed off on Firefox compared to Chrome (always something). So fuck Firefox. On hacker news. Crazy.

> On hacker news.

You have the wrong expectations toward HN :) It's a lot less frustrating if you correct them.

It's the community forum for a US-based, web-heavy startup accelerator, not a "hacker's corner" in terms of the original scene. The priorities and values and interests do differ.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by echoangle »

wtallis wrote: post #13
ctoth wrote: post #8

> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.

PWAs that prevent you from getting at your browser extensions are an inherently user-hostile idea.

Isn’t there a middle where you don’t show the whole browser chrome by default and still allow access to the extensions? Maybe add a tiny button to show the browser UI or add a shortcut?

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by cube00 »

sho_hn wrote: post #14
bergheim wrote: post #9

Every time Mozilla is on here people go crazy. And they wrote their comment using Chrome or some skin. Which they have used for a decade. Because the button on the left seemed off on Firefox compared to Chrome (always something). So fuck Firefox. On hacker news. Crazy.

> On hacker news. You have the wrong expectations toward HN :) It's a lot less frustrating if you correct them. It's the community forum for a US-based, web-heavy startup accelerator, not a "hacker's corner" in terms of the original scene. The priorities and values and interests do differ.

AI heavy now

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by dharmab »

agiacalone wrote: post #6
uutangohotel wrote: post #2

Too little too late?

Curiously, what is the alternative? Chromium-based browsers? Sorry, but I don't trust Google's push to Manifest V3.

I daily drive https://kagi.com/orion/ on mobile and will likely begin to switch on desktop as their cross platform support emerges.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by phatfish »

bergheim wrote: post #9

Every time Mozilla is on here people go crazy. And they wrote their comment using Chrome or some skin. Which they have used for a decade. Because the button on the left seemed off on Firefox compared to Chrome (always something). So fuck Firefox. On hacker news. Crazy.

I think such types are frustrated because they have enough domain specific knowledge to know the basics of how to fix their pet hate. But realise they will never have the motivation, skill and dedication required to follow through.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Post by JoshTriplett »

breckinloggins wrote: post #7

I’m not sure what Mozilla has been doing the last ten years but I’m fairly certain it has little to do with what users want. I am thoroughly finished with them as an organization; hopefully they represent the end of an ugly era, which to my recollection began in about 2013. I will not mourn their inevitable slide into complete irrelevance and financial insolvency.

I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web.
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