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Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#11

Post by eesmith »

roenxi wrote: post #7
tannhaeuser wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest part of the article is about other/valid reasons not to use Brave though, as reflected in the table of content: 2016 — Brave Browser promises to replace webpage ads 2018 — Brave runs a questionable donation campaign 2020 — Brave injects referral links when visiting crypto wallets 2020 — Brave puts ads in user's home screens 2021 — Brave ships an insecure Tor feature 2023 — Brave hides their crawlers to we…

Who knew. The website isn't very accessible to people who brows with JavaScript disabled. I've said my politically neutral piece so now I get on to the more opinionated stuff - you know what that list says to me? It says Brave is actually putting an effort in to competing with Google and they're making the occasional mistake. It looks pretty healthy. Maybe if Mozilla wasn't so sedated by Google cash they'd be trying…

Works fine with me with JS disabled. Even works in text mode links and lynx browsers (lynx was more readable).

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

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Post by eesmith »

kirb wrote: post #8
roenxi wrote: post #2

There seems to be a strong belief here that it isn't reasonable to use OSS software written by people with alternative political opinions. That is silly. People who write software have really diverse and frequently deviant political positions that are too variable to audit. The people who are making choices and citing the one time Eich gave $1,000 to a political cause totally unrelated to his OSS contributions are ju…

The arc of him resigning from Mozilla and founding Brave definitely is context that needs to be mentioned. Personally, I feel $1,000 isn’t much to be donating, especially as he would have been decently wealthy going from Netscape pre-IPO and pre-AOL, through to co-founding Mozilla and staying on for 15 years. But Mozilla employees saw it differently, he was forced out, and that’s all part of the story of why Brave ex…

> Personally, I feel $1,000 isn’t much to be donating, especially as he would have been decently wealthy going from Netscape pre-IPO and pre-AOL,

Plus thousands to Tom McClintock, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, to list only the contributions listed in the article.

> As much as we want projects like this to succeed and beat the Google/Apple-centric monoculture we’re stuck with.

I've never heard even a whisper of Mozilla looking for sovereign tech funding.

You would surely think European countries want a way for their citizens to access email, bank, government accounts, etc. without US control, right?

My assumption is they want to be in charge of things, without some foreign government getting involved and saying that "no personal data collection" and "no AI".

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#13

Post by pimeys »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #6
roenxi wrote: post #2

There seems to be a strong belief here that it isn't reasonable to use OSS software written by people with alternative political opinions. That is silly. People who write software have really diverse and frequently deviant political positions that are too variable to audit. The people who are making choices and citing the one time Eich gave $1,000 to a political cause totally unrelated to his OSS contributions are ju…

I agree with you that you shouldnt oust people because of minor discrepancies but on the other side, you absolutely should draw the line somewhere. The problem that any minority with hateful opposition has, that its subtle in the beginning until enough people normalized it, which is what trump is doing right now. And since you cant look into peoples heads, whether they are able to reason freely or distorted by emotio…

Yep. I also draw the line if you are hateful against minorities. I don't care what you think inside your heads or what are you afraid of. But if you make the effort to make the lifes of people already in danger and suffering even worse, that definitely needs to be called out.

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

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Post by bigtex »

beardyw wrote: post #10

When I use Brave it's so I don't have to see ads. That simple feature seems to be overlooked in a pile of stuff most people won't care about. This doesn't read like a neutral article.

You are 100% correct. The ad blocker works very well alongside uBLock Origin so I don't see ads on YouTube, Twitch or practically anywhere.

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#15

Post by roenxi »

eesmith wrote: post #11
roenxi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who knew. The website isn't very accessible to people who brows with JavaScript disabled. I've said my politically neutral piece so now I get on to the more opinionated stuff - you know what that list says to me? It says Brave is actually putting an effort in to competing with Google and they're making the occasional mistake. It looks pretty healthy. Maybe if Mozilla wasn't so sedated by Google cash they'd be trying…

Works fine with me with JS disabled. Even works in text mode links and lynx browsers (lynx was more readable).

The table of content doesn't show up.

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#16

Post by eesmith »

roenxi wrote: post #15
eesmith wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works fine with me with JS disabled. Even works in text mode links and lynx browsers (lynx was more readable).

The table of content doesn't show up.

Indeed! I saw the individual section titles and thought that's what you all were talking about.

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#18

Post by kirb »

eesmith wrote: post #12
kirb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The arc of him resigning from Mozilla and founding Brave definitely is context that needs to be mentioned. Personally, I feel $1,000 isn’t much to be donating, especially as he would have been decently wealthy going from Netscape pre-IPO and pre-AOL, through to co-founding Mozilla and staying on for 15 years. But Mozilla employees saw it differently, he was forced out, and that’s all part of the story of why Brave ex…

> Personally, I feel $1,000 isn’t much to be donating, especially as he would have been decently wealthy going from Netscape pre-IPO and pre-AOL, Plus thousands to Tom McClintock, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, to list only the contributions listed in the article. > As much as we want projects like this to succeed and beat the Google/Apple-centric monoculture we’re stuck with. I've never heard even a whisper of Mozilla l…

I was calling out the $1,000 specifically because that’s what the poster above me mentioned, and I remember that coming up very often back when his CEO stint happened. But, yes, not the only donation he’s made.

And I’m sure Mozilla is furiously looking around for new funding sources right now, governments could be of interest, but I expect them to be very careful about letting money influence the product. They know their independence is a key feature, and Google has so far allowed them to remain independent aside from default search engine choice.

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

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Post by eesmith »

kirb wrote: post #18
eesmith wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I feel $1,000 isn’t much to be donating, especially as he would have been decently wealthy going from Netscape pre-IPO and pre-AOL, Plus thousands to Tom McClintock, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, to list only the contributions listed in the article. > As much as we want projects like this to succeed and beat the Google/Apple-centric monoculture we’re stuck with. I've never heard even a whisper of Mozilla l…

I was calling out the $1,000 specifically because that’s what the poster above me mentioned, and I remember that coming up very often back when his CEO stint happened. But, yes, not the only donation he’s made. And I’m sure Mozilla is furiously looking around for new funding sources right now, governments could be of interest, but I expect them to be very careful about letting money influence the product. They know t…

While I'm pointing out to both of you that criticizing "[t]he people who are making choices and citing the one time Eich gave $1,000 to a political cause" sounds like a deliberate strawman when the linked-to criticism lists three different donations.

And yeah, I don't want to work for someone who likes paleoconservative Pat Buchanan enough to give him money.

As for "They know their independence is a key feature", the question is, what sort of independence?

Like, how much do they value their independence to do user-based profiling, if a sov. tech fund says that's completely forbidden.

Should we respect that sort of independence?

Re: I Recommend Against Brave

#20

Post by [deleted] »

eesmith wrote: post #19
kirb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was calling out the $1,000 specifically because that’s what the poster above me mentioned, and I remember that coming up very often back when his CEO stint happened. But, yes, not the only donation he’s made. And I’m sure Mozilla is furiously looking around for new funding sources right now, governments could be of interest, but I expect them to be very careful about letting money influence the product. They know t…

While I'm pointing out to both of you that criticizing "[t]he people who are making choices and citing the one time Eich gave $1,000 to a political cause" sounds like a deliberate strawman when the linked-to criticism lists three different donations. And yeah, I don't want to work for someone who likes paleoconservative Pat Buchanan enough to give him money. As for "They know their independence is a key feature", the…

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