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Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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Was looking into Meshtastic recently, as a means to have basic communication in disaster situations (hurricanes, war, etc.) but haven't picked a device yet. Any recommendations?

I've got a Lilygo T-Beam with a 18650 battery for backup power, an external battery, and a 3D printed case. It's fine for a stationary setup at home.

For more portable use, you might go with something like a Lilygo Meshtastic T-Echo.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186858359561?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid...

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

#12
Neat project I do wonder what more could be done with the RP2350.

Note that the RP2350, being M33 based has square root, and can add 16MB of PSRAM behind the XIP that will help with the flash writing problem, The solder party RP2350 Stamp XL has a SOP8 pad to add PSRAM and is actually shipping for anyone who is looking to play with them, no connection with them, just a user.

The extra PIO block would also allow for S2C output which may be nice rather than a TPA2012D2, which will require most people to buy a breakout board anyway.

The rp2040/rp2350 series is incredible. The DMA/SIO/PIO features are just so powerful and even the esp32/stm32 seem restrictive to me to go back to. It is amazing what people are doing with them.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

#13
post #8

Was looking into Meshtastic recently, as a means to have basic communication in disaster situations (hurricanes, war, etc.) but haven't picked a device yet. Any recommendations?

Had one late last year, but had to return it because the firmware bricked within a few hours of use and no support was forthcoming. Wouldn't leap in just yet. The issue was triggered by running a repeater, whereas client-only use was fine.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

#14
(2023)

Very nice. It's not a "crystal radio", though. It's a direct sampling receiver. That is, the processing takes place at the RF frequency directly. Most receivers use heterodyne conversion to down-convert a desired chunk of spectrum to a convenient working frequency. This doesn't. It just runs the raw RF through an A/D.

As A/D devices and processing have improved, the frequency upper limit for direct conversion receivers has moved up. There are low-cost direct conversion receivers going up to 50MHz, but they have to use an FPGA rather than doing all the work in software.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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post #8

Was looking into Meshtastic recently, as a means to have basic communication in disaster situations (hurricanes, war, etc.) but haven't picked a device yet. Any recommendations?

Just get a radio? Not to be glib, they're well built, mature tech that can go many tens of km from elevated positions. Don't get triangulated in a conflict situation, but it's the thing most likely to work and remain durable/portable under extreme conditions.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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When I look at that crystal radio kit, my fingers hurt. I had a kit like that as a kid in the 90s - not sure if it was a radio or more generic electronics - with the springs to hold wires together. At some point, made a short circuit and burned my fingers. Immediately upon seeing that, the memory comes back. I guess it's burned into my memory.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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post #16

When I look at that crystal radio kit, my fingers hurt. I had a kit like that as a kid in the 90s - not sure if it was a radio or more generic electronics - with the springs to hold wires together. At some point, made a short circuit and burned my fingers. Immediately upon seeing that, the memory comes back. I guess it's burned into my memory.

I loved those spring electronics kits, Radio Shack always sold a bunch. And yeah, the D batteries could get the springs glowing and wires smoking. A lot of my early electronics projects were smoke machines.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

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post #16

When I look at that crystal radio kit, my fingers hurt. I had a kit like that as a kid in the 90s - not sure if it was a radio or more generic electronics - with the springs to hold wires together. At some point, made a short circuit and burned my fingers. Immediately upon seeing that, the memory comes back. I guess it's burned into my memory.

Surely it wasn’t a crystal radio you were building, since they have no power source?

For any powered circuit though, a few AAs can dump a surprising amount of current and heat into naive fingers.

Re: Pi Pico Rx – A crystal radio for the digital age?

#20
post #14

(2023) Very nice. It's not a "crystal radio", though. It's a direct sampling receiver. That is, the processing takes place at the RF frequency directly. Most receivers use heterodyne conversion to down-convert a desired chunk of spectrum to a convenient working frequency. This doesn't. It just runs the raw RF through an A/D. As A/D devices and processing have improved, the frequency upper limit for direct conversion…

The comparison is not with the crystal but with the low parts count and simplicity.
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