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Meta pirated at least 101 of my books, and others

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Re: Meta pirated at least 101 of my books, and others

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Post by moscoe »

The idea that you can’t train on copyrighted materials is ludicrous, imho. So apparently you don’t want humanity and the future of intelligence to benefit from your work? You just want it to keep it locked up in some archive that virtually no one ever reads?

Might as well say the people who read your books aren’t allowed to teach the concepts or theories. Completely asinine argument. If you don’t want the knowledge to proliferate, then don’t publish. They’re not copying and redistributing.

Meanwhile, jurisdictions outside of us copyright protection will leapfrog us because we can’t get out of our own way.

Re: Meta pirated at least 101 of my books, and others

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

In contrast to typical corporate crime, it seems there is documentation of upper management signing off on the decision.

Are there other juicy examples where the C-suite can be directly implicated? Always assumed that management knew how to leave instructions vague enough so as to keep their hands clean (a la meddlesome priests). The bad actor was always some middle-manager gone rogue.

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Post by entangledqubit »

moscoe wrote: post #11

The idea that you can’t train on copyrighted materials is ludicrous, imho. So apparently you don’t want humanity and the future of intelligence to benefit from your work? You just want it to keep it locked up in some archive that virtually no one ever reads? Might as well say the people who read your books aren’t allowed to teach the concepts or theories. Completely asinine argument. If you don’t want the knowledge t…

Meta's more open models aside, are the other copyright abusers giving out their model for free?

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Post by 4agdsF »

moscoe wrote: post #11

The idea that you can’t train on copyrighted materials is ludicrous, imho. So apparently you don’t want humanity and the future of intelligence to benefit from your work? You just want it to keep it locked up in some archive that virtually no one ever reads? Might as well say the people who read your books aren’t allowed to teach the concepts or theories. Completely asinine argument. If you don’t want the knowledge t…

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Post by acomjean »

I think the main issue is that authors published books with the intention of human not machine consumption. Nobody though to put a contract in a book saying "human consumption only, not to be used to Train AI". Meta pirated the books in question, but what if they had bought a copy. Oddly cracking the encryption, a violation of the DMCA might be the infraction..

The courts have some tough questions to answer here.

Re: Meta pirated at least 101 of my books, and others

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Post by 4agdsF »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

(Shrug) We'll see what the courts say, Gary. If training AI doesn't constitute fair use, you will lose more than you could ever possibly hope to gain. As will the rest of us. Meanwhile, sublimate your dudgeon towards advocating for free access to the resulting models. That's what's important. Meta is not the company you want to go after here, since they released the resulting model weights.

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Post by anoncow »

ebiederm wrote: post #10
CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

(Shrug) We'll see what the courts say, Gary. If training AI doesn't constitute fair use, you will lose more than you could ever possibly hope to gain. As will the rest of us. Meanwhile, sublimate your dudgeon towards advocating for free access to the resulting models. That's what's important. Meta is not the company you want to go after here, since they released the resulting model weights.

To point out the obvious. Unauthorized copying (aka pirating) is definitely a copyright violation. That appears to be a huge problem with the large models and training. They don't secure legal access to the materials they train on, and thus fail to compensate authors for their work. AKA students are required to buy or otherwise obtain legal access to their text books(like checking the book out of the library). Traini…

This. I am not asking for a special 1000x fee for AI. Just pay the normal fee a human would have paid, but at least pay that.

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Post by uezajh »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

(Shrug) We'll see what the courts say, Gary. If training AI doesn't constitute fair use, you will lose more than you could ever possibly hope to gain. As will the rest of us. Meanwhile, sublimate your dudgeon towards advocating for free access to the resulting models. That's what's important. Meta is not the company you want to go after here, since they released the resulting model weights.

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