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How 'Careless People' is becoming a bigger problem for Meta
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#12“Lost Idealism” my ass. Everyone with two brain cells knew what zuck was from square-one. Play with the devil, get burned.
Glad you reminded me of this:
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...
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#13Meta is probably the only large tech company where we would be better off if they had never existed. Or, at the very least, it nothing of value would be lost.
FB Marketplace, but that's about it. Even that is a hot bed for people like bike thieves.
It sounds like FB Marketplace is every bit the marketplace for scammers that people claim craigslist is.
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#14Meta is probably the only large tech company where we would be better off if they had never existed. Or, at the very least, it nothing of value would be lost.
FB Marketplace, but that's about it. Even that is a hot bed for people like bike thieves.
Having never used it, how does FB Marketplace differ from eBay?
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#15Meta is probably the only large tech company where we would be better off if they had never existed. Or, at the very least, it nothing of value would be lost.
FB Marketplace, but that's about it. Even that is a hot bed for people like bike thieves.
Messenger is nice to have a directory of everyone I've met without a translation layer into numbers or screen names.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
FB Marketplace, but that's about it. Even that is a hot bed for people like bike thieves.
Having never used it, how does FB Marketplace differ from eBay?
It's kind of like Craigslist, targeting local sellers wanting to get rid of things quickly rather than sellers wanting to ship things whereever the highest bidder might be.
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#17I think the last sentence of the book review hits the narrative here well:
> Ultimately, Careless People is a test for how you feel about Meta. For many, it only reaffirms the belief that the company’s leaders are ruthless, immoral capitalists. For others, it’s a hit job that bends reality to enforce a familiar narrative. I wish it challenged both sides.
As always, the author has a vested interest in promoting the book, and getting sued for spreading lies is always a sure-fire way to get attention. I have no knowledge of the actual veracity of the events in the book, but neither does anyone else, except where it goes against sworn testimony.
While I generally believe that companies like Meta would have acted ruthlessly to make money, history generally shows Meta specifically was quite ruthless. That said, I generally think poorly of people's books when they cash lucrative salaries for half a decade, only to later become critical when convenient. The author was previously a diplomat for New Zealand and the UN and the IMF (after being a law professor). She then worked as the director of public policy at Meta, and now criticizes Meta's stance on public policy for that same time period. This is clearly a high-agency individual with strong connections who worked many dream jobs already, so why she would spend years working and contributing to such an immoral place?
Re: How 'Careless People' is becoming a bigger problem for Meta
#18I think the last sentence of the book review hits the narrative here well: > Ultimately, Careless People is a test for how you feel about Meta. For many, it only reaffirms the belief that the company’s leaders are ruthless, immoral capitalists. For others, it’s a hit job that bends reality to enforce a familiar narrative. I wish it challenged both sides. As always, the author has a vested interest in promoting the bo…
Maybe it truly was a naive belief that she could change the company's nature from the inside. Imagine I'm a developer with a passion for user privacy--I could see how, with enough alcohol in me, I might be able to almost make myself believe that if I joined Facebook, I could act as a force for good, and change how seriously the company took user privacy!
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
FB Marketplace, but that's about it. Even that is a hot bed for people like bike thieves.
Having never used it, how does FB Marketplace differ from eBay?
In my area, it's basically replaced newspaper classified ads. So you get people selling cars, furniture, appliances, and miscellaneous stuff that's too big or heavy to ship. Except it's more restrictive, not allowing the sale of animals for instance, which is annoying.
My main problem with it is that it doesn't obey its own filters very well. If I search for "Buick" and set a radius of 40 miles from my location, it might give me a few within that radius but then start giving me a bunch from hundreds of miles away. And it doesn't seem to work outward, but might give me some 500 miles away and then one 50 miles lower down. That makes it less useful than it could be.
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#20It's unfortunate that the article references several alleged errors that are fundamentally inconsequential (did people participate in Karaoke on a flight ? wtf ?) before it gets around to mentioning that a co-founder of Facebook endorses the book, that reference is three paragraphs from the end.
I found the article "Eight things we learned from the Facebook Papers" interesting because it exposes the technical limitations social networks face, regardless of their comms bleating on about their being technical geniuses. For example, an internal message admits, "Our ability to detect vaccine-hesitant comments is bad in English, and basically non-existent elsewhere." This was about 2020 anti-vax comments, but it likely applies to any content in less common languages, yet this issue rarely comes up in discussions about their moderation efforts.
None of this is to deny that much of what goes on in Facebook, and the like, is primarily related to money while concern for the consumers well-being is very much secondary. It seems to me, that whatever the shortcomings of specific parts of 'Careless People' it's broad message is well worth spreading.