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Re: Boycott IETF 127

#11

Post by mmooss »

oefrha wrote: post #7

Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

The first isn't the same at all: Chinese scientists were prevented from attending based on an official government policy, not randomly arrested and detained.

The second and third are the same incident, from the prior Trump administration. But the visa was denied; nobody was arrested or detained.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by spiderfarmer »

I heard last night from my friend who works in astronomy that they decided to cancel their event in the US and let the US attendees travel to Europe instead.

I can’t get used to the fact that the US seems dead set on destroying its reputation in the world.

But with the direction the comment section of HN has taken over the last few years I’m sure there will be lots of commenters who will dismiss this as virtue signaling.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

#13

Post by kamma4434 »

Teever wrote: post #5
rhaps0dy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!

That's a great idea. I can't speak about Mexican alternatives but there are many great locations in Canada for a conference. If the conference was originally going to be held on the west coast of the US then Vancouver would be an excellent alternative and if it was going to be held on the east coast then Montreal is another excellent alternative. Can anyone suggest some viable alternatives in Mexico?

Depends on when the conference is scheduled, but Mexico has some world renewed venues at the seaside - say Cancun- that nobody minds visiting when it’s winter at home. :-)

Re: Boycott IETF 127

#14

Post by oefrha »

mmooss wrote: post #11
oefrha wrote: post #7

Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

The first isn't the same at all: Chinese scientists were prevented from attending based on an official government policy, not randomly arrested and detained. The second and third are the same incident, from the prior Trump administration. But the visa was denied; nobody was arrested or detained.

People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548

The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time. That’s not new. In fact [2][3] is only noteworthy because it was an influential individual (in this circle) with a strong passport; people with weaker passports are routinely denied. Hell sometimes UN diplomats are denied.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

#16

Post by mmooss »

oefrha wrote: post #14
mmooss wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first isn't the same at all: Chinese scientists were prevented from attending based on an official government policy, not randomly arrested and detained. The second and third are the same incident, from the prior Trump administration. But the visa was denied; nobody was arrested or detained.

People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to atten…

> People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy.

Right, but you did not give examples of that happening previously.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

#17

Post by anfilt »

RISC-V moved to Switzerland as well a while ago. I think it's a shame to see stuff like this happening. Regardless, of where one stands currently in the current environment making standards bodies want to move or move events to other countries is not a good.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by oefrha »

mmooss wrote: post #16
oefrha wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to atten…

> People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. Right, but you did not give examples of that happening previously.

Once again, when I say “not new” I’m talking about

> The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time.

TFA says

> As an Internet community we strive to include everyone. Holding a meeting in the US is incompatible with our values.

It’s been incompatible with their values for very long.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by arketyp »

I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.
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