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Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by pwdisswordfishz » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:55 PM UTC

breckenedge wrote: post #6

pwdisswordfishz wrote: post #3

> But our current framework layer is working against the grain instead of embracing the platform. Said the person with this bullshit in their page code, which will not deactivate when JavaScript fails to run: body{visibility:hidden;opacity:0} Guess who just saw it happen.

That comes from the theme they’re using, and there’s a noscript directive immediately after it. https://github.com/Mitrichius/hugo-theme-anubis/blob/main/la...

Doesn't make it any less stupid or hypocritical. Dependencies you made a choice to use don't absolve you from responsibility.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by ng12 » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:55 PM UTC

olliepop wrote: post #8

ng12 wrote: post #5

> Whatever framework you choose will be obsolete in 5 years. I've been writing React professionally for over a decade at this point. I don't know what this guy's on about.

Component lifecycle methods to hooks and HOCs, does that ring a bell?

Yeah, and I'm not anywhere near as distressed about it as this article implies I should be.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by figassis » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:55 PM UTC

ng12 wrote: post #5

> Whatever framework you choose will be obsolete in 5 years. I've been writing React professionally for over a decade at this point. I don't know what this guy's on about.

Didn't React deprecate itself entirely circa 2018?

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by krainboltgreene » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:56 PM UTC

Giving up on that treadmill after investing 3 insanely intense years consuming everything about it was the best thing I ever did. Now I write elixir (phoenix liveview), sometimes I write javascript (phoenix hooks), sometimes that javascript uses Alpine. Zero pain.

I have never felt more vindicated understanding HTTP, Hypermedia, and HATEOAS than I have in the last three years.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by SamuelAdams » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:57 PM UTC

Speaking of front end frameworks, whatever happened to Angular(JS)? It seemed to be required on every other job posting, but now things seem to only ask for React or React Native.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by pelagicAustral » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:57 PM UTC

figassis wrote: post #13

ng12 wrote: post #5

> Whatever framework you choose will be obsolete in 5 years. I've been writing React professionally for over a decade at this point. I don't know what this guy's on about.

Didn't React deprecate itself entirely circa 2018?

They just keep stirring his slop and he keeps eating it, that's all I'm reading here

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by krainboltgreene » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:57 PM UTC

pwdisswordfishz wrote: post #11

breckenedge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comes from the theme they’re using, and there’s a noscript directive immediately after it. https://github.com/Mitrichius/hugo-theme-anubis/blob/main/la...

Doesn't make it any less stupid or hypocritical. Dependencies you made a choice to use don't absolve you from responsibility.

Actually, it doesn't matter at all.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by move-on-by » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:58 PM UTC

breckenedge wrote: post #6

pwdisswordfishz wrote: post #3

> But our current framework layer is working against the grain instead of embracing the platform. Said the person with this bullshit in their page code, which will not deactivate when JavaScript fails to run: body{visibility:hidden;opacity:0} Guess who just saw it happen.

That comes from the theme they’re using, and there’s a noscript directive immediately after it. https://github.com/Mitrichius/hugo-theme-anubis/blob/main/la...

Which is now deprecated and no longer receiving updates! Haha, that’s hilarious in context of the post.

It’s also maddeningly frustrating as someone who regularly has to update things on awful frontend projects no one else is willing to touch. Frontend work is cursed.

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by ForTheKidz » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:58 PM UTC

Why does FE development have such churn? Desktop toolkits from 30 years ago work just as performantly today; what is so difficult about the browser that demands constant framework updates?

Re: The Frontend Treadmill

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Post by klysm » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:58 PM UTC

antirez wrote: post #9

To jump off the treadmill is not using a fronted framework: at all, and not using a random one and not rewriting the code later. Server side rendering, JavaScript only when needed, no separation between backend and frontend folks in the company.

No separation between backend and front end is hard. I’m not good at front end, and we don’t have a designer. I’m miles better on backend though and other team members are more talented than me for front end design.