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Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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I've visited Chan Chan during my honeymoon last year, it's impressive! All Peru is impressive, north to south. Highly recommended!

Great you visited it. One reads all these cautionary notices about traveling to Peru. What was your experience? Did you visit on a group tour? Would love to know more.

Peru has had a lot of bad press but if you use your common sense you’ll be fine. I live in Lima, for example the tourist areas here have a high police presence and are safe.

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Very interesting article, especially if you interested in how societies become organized and urbanized. Two fundamental requirements for a city, is a source of water, a centralized economy, such as a palace, that stores food and artifacts, and lastly be enclosed in walls. I am surprised that no such perimeter walls existed, although the palaces were surrounded by walls.

> and lastly be enclosed in walls

This is mostly a Western-centric view, as there were lots and lots of cities in the Muslim/Ottoman world (just to give an example) with no walls encompassing them whatsoever.

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Very interesting article, especially if you interested in how societies become organized and urbanized. Two fundamental requirements for a city, is a source of water, a centralized economy, such as a palace, that stores food and artifacts, and lastly be enclosed in walls. I am surprised that no such perimeter walls existed, although the palaces were surrounded by walls.

If there is a stable peace then walls aren't so necessary, like during the Pax Romana many cities in safe parts of the Empire didn't have walls, or they had old walls built in more dangerous times and the city then expanded outside of these.

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Great you visited it. One reads all these cautionary notices about traveling to Peru. What was your experience? Did you visit on a group tour? Would love to know more.

I went there with my younger kids a few years ago. It was like visiting the USA only fewer guns and authoritarian people in uniforms everywhere, and don't drink the water out of the tap. Also maybe pay in cash everywhere since no one takes cards. Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Hiking the Inca…

> Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means.

Super weird to normalize urban violence.. as someone who lives in Asia.. this is a really messed up terrorized mindset. You don't need to walk around Shanghai, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul or Bangkok and "be on your guard" .. ever.

Your government(s) have just failed you in providing a safe environment to live

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Yes, who can think of Los Angeles without considering its massive and all-encompassing walls.

It does have massive, and all encompassing walls. They aren't built like how we used to build defensive walls in history, those are obsolete. Instead they are lined with chainlink and razor wire, contain radar and other systems for across the horizon detection, have runways for aircraft, silos for ballistic missiles, magazines for gunships, missile carriers, submarines, satellites and other craft in outer space with…

Right, the silo fields in North Dakota are obviously part of the great wall of Los Angeles. Ask any citizen of Fargo and they will confirm that they are indeed proud bricks in the great Angelino wall and renounce any claim to living in a city themselves.

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Very interesting article, especially if you interested in how societies become organized and urbanized. Two fundamental requirements for a city, is a source of water, a centralized economy, such as a palace, that stores food and artifacts, and lastly be enclosed in walls. I am surprised that no such perimeter walls existed, although the palaces were surrounded by walls.

I'm confused if you mean that a palace needs to have enclosing walls to count, or the whole city?

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It does have massive, and all encompassing walls. They aren't built like how we used to build defensive walls in history, those are obsolete. Instead they are lined with chainlink and razor wire, contain radar and other systems for across the horizon detection, have runways for aircraft, silos for ballistic missiles, magazines for gunships, missile carriers, submarines, satellites and other craft in outer space with…

Right, the silo fields in North Dakota are obviously part of the great wall of Los Angeles. Ask any citizen of Fargo and they will confirm that they are indeed proud bricks in the great Angelino wall and renounce any claim to living in a city themselves. /s

The absolutely are, though. Not just LA, of course, but for all American cities.

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I've visited Chan Chan during my honeymoon last year, it's impressive! All Peru is impressive, north to south. Highly recommended!

Great you visited it. One reads all these cautionary notices about traveling to Peru. What was your experience? Did you visit on a group tour? Would love to know more.

I was there couple years ago. If you don't go to places you shouldn't, you are mostly Ok. I felt much safer in Peru than in Brazil for example. It is not europe or some parts of asia. But for central/south america it was farily safe. Not sure about some changes in the last years.
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